1 - are you doing this as a company or as a private individual?
The plan was to do this as an individual but with all FMCSA stuff I will have to open an LLC.
2 - are you picking up the loads to bring back to your shop to repair or fix them or resell them?
No, I'm actually moving someone else furniture. I did something similar with my suv and uhaul trailer and I really enjoyed it. (travelling). But this time I need something bigger to make good money.
3 - are you going out of state?
Yes, crossing multiple states.
Ryder 26' truck rental. Any requirement for hauling someone else stuff for money?
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by wrx12, Nov 28, 2013.
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I'm not an established business yet, and no 1099 or w2. I did this once to try it out with my suv and trailer and I would like to do this whenever my day time job is slow.
I actually don't enjoy the lifting lol, I enjoy the drive and travelling more.
I also did the math for Ryder straight trucks $0.29 per mile and including their top insurance option. 2600 miles (round trip) cost $1054 ($0.41 per mile after all fees, insurance, etc).
I also estimated 8 MPG for straight trucks? (might be a little off). so gas is another $0.40 per mile. total cost $0.81 cent per mile.
After all expense I'm still going to make some good money for a 2-3 days run. -
You'll have to get legal if you are starting a business. You'll find these links helpful.
https://www.protectyourmove.gov/
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrguide.aspx?section_type=Awrx12 Thanks this. -
OK got it, you want to expand your uShip business and make it legit.
I hope you have money, renting is not the way to go.
I don't know if you have to establish yourself with your state as a house hold mover, I remember many states require this and a few will come down hard on you if you don't.
Also an LLC won't protect your assets if you are driving, it just doesn't work that way.
By the way, renting a truck is expensive, especially if you get into a problem with it. If you get into an accident and say you have a claim of damages against you, if you don't tell Ryder you are doing this for profit and they find out, there goes your insurance coverage and as I'm told by Ryder you won't ever rent from them again.wrx12 Thanks this. -
All I can say is, good luck. The amount of crap you have to go through to be actually legal, will out pace a part time operation. Did you look into cargo insurance, that is the most expensive part for a start up. You can buy nice used box trucks for less than you will spend on insurance for one year.
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Reading his posts, I get the impression, he thinks the insurance he is paying to rent the truck will be all is needed.
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Good point, I will check with Ryder if what I'm trying to do is allowed by them.
Please explain why LLC won't protect my assets?
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I know insurance is a killer even though I have clean record. I already checked with the commercial side of my insurance company.
I would be paying 2 different insurance to Ryder + Cargo Insurance which I still don't have a solution for yet.
Lol it's funny, I actually got the idea from shipping wars but I only watched couple of episode. Too much acting in a reality show = fail. -
Simply because LLCs are designed to provide some insulation from liabilities in some service and retail businesses but not all. Being you are going to be the driver and manager/owner of the business, the limitation go out the door - in other words you control everything and making a decision that puts property or lives in danger can be construed as reckless removes that limitation. Any good lawyer can pierce the veil of protection and go after all your assets except your retirement (401 k/pension) and should.
More on a professional note, this isn't a part time gig but a full time one. Yopur competition isn't going to be easy to deal with, and if you depend on uship for your work, then forget it - that's a scam and costs us, the trucking industry lots of money. I count four types of insurance you will need, maybe five, including your cargo insurance and truck insurance (read the fine print of the Ryder/Penske agreement by the way). Your costs in insurance (just your business liability insurance) will be high with no establish business experience, and that's not even the truck stuff. You better have that because say you go to my house and while you are moving my stuff, you damage the rug or knock down something, I expect to be compensated for it.
Ryder may refuse and should for that matter to rent to you unless you are a bona fide business with proper insurance and business licenses. You are looking at insurance as if it is easy to obtain, but when you sit down and look at the true costs of things, you will be surprised. -
Do yourself a favor and google "Piercing the corporate veil"wrx12 Thanks this.
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