Ok, so I've spent literally HOURS today reading through thread after thread on this topic, but still haven't really found the answer I'm looking for. First, I'll tell you what I have, then what I need to know and HOPEFULLY I can find the answer without too much regulatory literature on legalities and bickering.
I have the General Lee AM/FM 6-band 10 Meter radio... and yes, Gadfly, I know this radio is illegal to sell, possess, etc.
WHAT I KNOW:Never turn the 10KHz switch on because I am not licensed to operate on those frequencies.
The AM selection and D band are where I need to be to use the regular 40 CB channels
THINGS I'D LIKE TO KNOW:1.) Is the FM selection legal for a non-licensed operator like myself to use? If so, is there a common FM channel ppl use?
2.) Are the other bands A, B, C, E, and F available (legally) for me to use? If so, are there common channels ppl use on any of them?
...I ask this for two reasons, really. I have heard of drivers using "side bands", usually on Galaxy radios, I guess, to avoid all the noise of the increasing number of idiotic cracker-head CR rambos when I'm seeking information about an area, weather, etc. The other reason is kinda weird... I knew when I bought this radio that switching on the 10KHz was only permitted for licensed radio operators (the seller warned me of that) but I had a weird run-in with a HAMmy. I had the radio set to hi while on channel 19 (band D... the normal 40) talking to another driver in west Texas. We drove by a truck stop with a lot of chatter, so we took the conversation down to the A band, still 19. (we each have the same radio) After about an hour, a small minivan with NM plates and several antenna (an operator) cruised by slowly a couple of times and then began transmitting his voice with a LOUD echo so high and fast it sounded like something from a sci-fi movie and was not understandable at all. Thinking this fart-knocker was trying to fry my radio, I quickly shut it off until he was a few miles down the road.
Now, as far as I know, I wasn't operating in an illegal frequency and I'm sure he took down my info to say that I was. Maybe I was... I guess that's kinda what I'm asking. But, just in case, I took down his tag number and am prepared to let the FCC know about his voice transmission on the same channel, if that's the case.
Again, I'm not looking for answers on how to use the 10KHZ... I would remove the switch if I could... Just want to know if I can use the other bands.
BANDS BEYOND the 40
Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by KoonDog, Mar 9, 2008.
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If your gonna use a cb to get the weather then i suggest that you get a cb with them weather channels.
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yeah, as far as i know it is illegal.... everything that radio does even the cb channels, only cuza the extra power. But thats common, and not many people will give you a problem with it, but extra power can make it hard to talk close. Anyway sideband is completely different, if the radio has a USB or a LSB switch, those are the sidebands (and side band is legal on CB as long as you dont pump over 12 watts into it.... which everyone does anyway.) sideband is part of the AM CB channels,
Each AM signal is made up of 3 parts, a lower and an upper side band as well as the AM carrier, When you use side band you are only talking on 1 of 3 parts,
any legal CB puts out 12 watts, 4w into each part. so you are really putting out 12w butt its the same as 4 cuz the 3 4watt parts travel all tangled up together, When you use side band you use all 12 watts and can almost always find people to talk to on channels above 35. sideband requires you to tune peoples voices in. if your way off you wont hear anything, if your close but not quite on people will either sound like alvin and the chipmunks or some cave dude dwelling in a deep hole.
side band is great and totally legal. i know some other the General radios have side band but i dont think the lee does. -
Not everyone runs power. My radio is 100 percent legal.
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How about the FM feature? Legal or not? I've turned it to FM, fished through the channels and heard people talking (WAY better and more clear sound! ), but I didn't key up and talk because I wasn't sure about the legalities.
I know someone who actually received one of those letters via his company from the FCC... so I know it happens. There's a local HAM club here in Garland where I live that offered to help me get started and show me the ropes... super nice guys... but, alas, they meet on Mondays when I'm on the road. -
gotta be licensed for just about everything but CB, cant talk on fm
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Any band other than the d band is illegal for you to us with out a HAM license.
The 10 KC switch will split the channels for you basically go between the channels and i am not sure on that radio but most only do the receive so if you go +10 and you have some one your talking to they would have to go -10 this is illegal on CB as it puts you off the assigned freq. The FM mode is legal as far as i know on CB. Now as to the fellow in the van he was on your freq he was on LSB probably trying to tell you you were illegal where you were down in a restricted Military range. Thats what most people don't understand the 11M band below it is all military Freq. 12m and above it is 10M and that is where you get in trouble with those radios 28.000mhz and above are reserved for HAM and 26.000 and below are military and some ham bands as well. So if you get off what is the standard 40 channels you are illegal. Now as to the explanation of SSB. There are not 3 sections of a signal as was explained. there is modulated signal how it is modulated is the difference between USB and LSB and AM and FM. AM is what the old timers called double side band meaning you are using both the upper and lower side of the modulated signal. Now AM is Amplitude modulated which puts a carrier on the desired center freq. and the modulation is the upper and lower sides of it. Now if you suppress the carrier -40DB you get side band which is pure modulated signal with no carrier at all. This is why SSB has a better range than AM you have no carrier to deteriorate in the atmosphere. The difference in USB and LSB is the off set of the modulation whether you modulate the upper or lower part of the signal. This is a vry simple explanation with out getting in to the actual figures and charts and graphs and formulas and all that it takes to really explain the difference's. Just suffice in answer to your question stay in the legal 40 channels and you will fine just leave the 10 MHZ switch alone and you will be fine. -
As for being in military range, I believe probably so. I was just north of Lubbock 20 or so miles and I see military planes and jets flying around that area all the time, so that may have been the case.
I'm guessing it might not be a bad idea to get my hands on a frequency meter for this radio and learn just what the freqs are on each band so I know this radio a little better and where NOT to key up!
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To further answer your question about FM, FM IS ILLEGAL ON CB According to FCC regulations (Part 95, Title 47, US Code), you are to use a 40 channel, 4 watt, FCC-approved CB radio that is unmodified and unmolested in any way at all. ANY so-called "CB" radio that has "bands" of channels is against the law. Period. Again, flipping those "band" switches will put you outside the 40 channels (ILLEGAL!) Below channel 1 is remote broadcast and military. One agency is part of the US Air Force that uses several 26 MHZ frequencies. CBers have gotten into trouble for interfering with ACTUAL air and search rescue operations!Not to intimidate you, but this is a very bad idea!!!!!!!!!!!!! It only takes ONCE to be charged with interfering with such a mission---even being charged with manslaughter if you happened to be interfering with an actual search for a downed airman or civilian pilot and your interference resulted in the death of the victim(s)!
This is the reason that FCC attempts (not strongly enough to suit many of us) to confine the activities of CBers to those 40 channels on 27 MHZ! Most of those 40 channels are under-used and the congestion is caused because so many of the users tend to congregate on just a FEW of them while the others go begging! Yet, the CBers think they need to squat on more and more and yet MORE of those "channels" (most of them are NOT "channels", but frequencies assigned by NTIA and various military agencies). While for so many untrained citizens to whom A CB is a consumer toy, those frequencies assigned to PROFESSIONALS and military are TOOLS with which to conduct serious business!!!!! It is not a place for the shenanigans of the untrained who think radio is a toy to be played with with reckless abandon! It is the reason that, yes, you personally KNOW drivers who got letters from FCC because of their operations on the 10 Meter band and because the RIGHTFUL users of 10 Meters are SICK of finding these people up there! Likewise, *I* know about people who have been hit by FCC for operating "downstairs" on those rescue frequencies!!!
Your inquiry shows intelligence and an informed sense of caution in the use of a so-called "10 Meter" radio. I would get RID of the illegal radio myself, but if you insist on having the non-approved radio, then you should operate it in AM or SSB mode, not FM and ON the legal 40. FM has a very WIDE "footprint" that creates interference; it's why it is illegal.
I hope this answers your questions.
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Oh no driver you let Gadfly know you had a illegal radio......
Gadfly=FCC
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