Log books have nothing to do with safety

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by tuckerndfw, Mar 21, 2008.

  1. tuckerndfw

    tuckerndfw Light Load Member

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    The reason laws are passed is because someone has a financial interest in having them passed.

    The vast majority of laws & regulations are literally written by lobbyists who are being paid by a group who has a financial interest in having those laws passed.

    Most vehicle "safety" laws are written by insurance companies with the ultimate goal of increasing their profits.

    Your naivety concerning how laws are passed does not alter the fact that laws are rarely, if ever, passed based on a lawmaker's personal concerns about anything, including safety.

    Without going into irrelevant details, I have lobbied in Austin, TX and Washington, D.C. on driver related issues.

    I am very familiar with how laws are passed, why they are passed, and who is getting them passed.

    And, it ain't truckers and it ain't due to anyone's concerns over safety (even if they are genuinely concerned about safety).

    HOS regulations do not affect safety one way or another.

    HOS regulations could be totally eliminated and the general public would not notice.

    HOS regulations are for the sole benefit of those who profit financially by their enforcement and no one else.
     
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  3. Scarecrow03

    Scarecrow03 Road Train Member

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    And where is your concrete irrefutable evidence to show that you aren't just another crackpot with a tin foil helmet and a million copies of "Lord of the Flies"?

    Support your stretch of a conspiracy with facts and I might give you the privilege of another reply to this rhetorical nonsense.
     
  4. tuckerndfw

    tuckerndfw Light Load Member

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    You give yourself way too much credit if you seriously believe I care whether or not you agree with me.

    My claims are based on the facts and common sense.

    If you have read the comments about logging, you should have discovered that a common thread among those comments is, "This makes no sense."

    Which is absolutely true, they make no sense because they have nothing to do with safety. Which is the primary reason I began this thread, to explain why they make no sense, relative to their stated purpose.

    But, if you want to argue that the HOS regulations make sense and result in safer drivers, it's okay with me. It appears that you are a distinct minority amongst those who actually have to abide by them.

    The fact is HOS regulations do not improve safety; they only enrich those who sponsored them. Same as all other laws.


    Odd how the feds are so concerned they pass laws forcing drivers to spend ten hours in their bunks while at the same time allowing states & communities to prohibit the use of the engine to keep him comfortable while he's confined there.

    I suppose their concern for safety is limited to telling him when he is tired. . .
     
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  5. Scarecrow03

    Scarecrow03 Road Train Member

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    That's funny. I've yet to see a single fact.
     
  6. tuckerndfw

    tuckerndfw Light Load Member

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    The fact is HOS regulations make no sense relative to their stated goal of improving safety to most people including me.

    If they make sense to you, you are a distinct minority.

    You apparently only see what you want to see because the HOS regulations make no sense & have no affect whatsoever on safety.

    And, it is also a fact that lobbyists for businesses and organizations literally write most laws & regulations to benefit themselves.

    That fact you can only verify (given your aversion to common sense) by visiting your congressman and attempting to get him to pass a law. Of course, you'll need to write it first since Congressmen do not write laws, lobbyists do.

    How about you have your congressman pass a law prohibiting states & communities from passing laws preventing drivers from using their engines to operate heat and a/c?

    It's illegal to leave an animal or child in such conditions (confined in hot/cold vehicle), so it should be easy to get your congressman to get your law passed.

    I'll be waiting to see that law in writing (since you claim congress passes laws based on the safety and are unrelated to lobbyists or campaign contributions).

    The fact remains HOS regulations do not improve safety.
     
  7. Scarecrow03

    Scarecrow03 Road Train Member

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    This horse is obviously dead. I'll stop beating it now.
     
  8. MickeyFIN

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    Nor he ever will...and the horse is dead.. Amen.
     
  9. chief

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    According to some studies, most accidents occur during the first hour of driving so that pretty much eliminates your theory about people causing accidents due to driving too many hours.

    that's probably because he drove 20 hours the previous day and only slept for 3 hours, then started driving again - TIRED.

    There are already crankheads who are working as many hours as they can to feed their crank habit.

    The HOS regulations do not seem to affect them.

    crank, so that's what you're on.

    all these people who have gotten rich with these laws - who are they exactly??
     
  10. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    I will let you all argue this one!

    I am on both sides, does it really matter though:biggrin_25520:

    Without rules the world would be a chaos, that's all I am saying:biggrin_25511:
     
  11. Clipboard

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    In Texas intrastate drivers can be on duty 15 hours with only eight off duty for construction related carriers. check out the Texas DPS site. they are killing Me..:biggrin_25518:
     
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