Trucker Shot at Loves

On Sunday, 25-year-old security guard Joshua Karp fatally shot 48-year-old owner operator Goran Sojic in the arm and chest.
The incident occurred at the newly-opened Love’s in Dayton, Ohio.
According to ABC 22, Karp said he felt “threatened by the customer and that’s when he fired shots.”
Karp’s attorney, Jon Paul Rion maintains that his client acted “properly and in accordance with his training,” the Dayton Daily News reported.
“Ohio Dept. of Safety spokesman Joseph Andrews said Karp was hired by Arrow Security Oct. 30, 2013 and that Karp was in ‘applied status’ until the registration is complete and background checks are done. That status means Karp was not permitted to carry a weapon,” the Dayton Daily News reported.
Rion said that Karp had been approved for the firearms bearers designation and he was just waiting on the card.
Karp reportedly completed security guard training through the Ohio Attorney General’s Office in the summer of 2012. Two months later, Karp got his first fire bearers registration with 1st Choice Security.
In the state of Ohio, security guards must apply for new designation and registration every time they switch companies.
CDLLife spoke with Rion who said that Karp underwent three times the training that is required of security guards.
Rion said his client is “deeply saddened” by the incident.
“This is a great tragedy, something you wish had never happened. [Karp] wishes from the bottom of his hear that this had never happened.”
Rion described Karp as a sensible man. He says that Karp has voluntarily removed himself from his position as a security guard.
Police are investigating the incident and are viewing surveillance footage of the shooting.
At this time, no charges have been filed and no one has been taken into custody.
For more information, follow this link to the Dayton Daily News.
Sources: Dayton Daily News

ABC 22

 

I don’t know where you are getting your information from but it isn’t reality!

A) Shooting somebody in the leg or foot will not necessarily “stop” them from anything; people take several bullets and keep going all the time so you shoot to kill period.

B) So what if the deranged assailant was unarmed, he was refusing orders and being aggressive and it only takes one punch or kick to kill a person so it’s always best to shoot somebody like that dead before they get a chance to touch you. For all you know he was hopped up on PCP or some other drug or just a lunatic with no regard for life so its always best to take them out before they take you out.

This wasn’t the movies, it was real life and I for one am glad the deranged assailant was shot dead before he hurt anybody. There is nothing that will excuse him from being responsible for his own death nor should the shooter feel bad for killing him. I would have shot him as well without a second thought.

 

Lol. Where do people getting their descriptions from. I have read comments saying everything from drugged, to deranged...

The only thing the reporters have said was "witnesses reported that he was acting erratic", a synonym for unpredictable.

Very different from deranged, a synonym for insane.

Good times.

 

"Acting erratic" = Deranged

de·range
transitive verb \di-ˈrānj\
de·rangedde·rang·ing

Definition of DERANGE
1
: to disturb the operation or functions of
2
: disarrange <hatless, with tie deranged — G. W. Stonier>
3
: to make insane
— de·range·ment \-m&#601;nt\ noun

Examples of DERANGE
<being stranded at night on a lonely road would derange anyone>
<the storage room had all been deranged by the earthquake, and it took hours to sort out things>

Related to DERANGE
Synonyms: crack, craze, frenzy, loco, madden, unbalance, unhinge, unstring

 

Uh, not sure how that makes erratic = deranged, but 10-4 nonetheless.
At least I now understand that you are not inserting your own descriptions of him, you honestly believe they are the same thing.

 

I take the word erratic to mean that he was behaving in a manner that wasn't within the realm of logical human interaction. Add to this the fact that his erratic behavior was sufficient to prompt Love's to ask him to leave, a brand new store wanting business from truck drivers asked this trucker to leave the premises. Pretty obvious that folks felt threatened by the guy. Then he comes back into the store and looks like he's intent on getting behind the counter.

In that situation the security guard can't let the truck driver get his gun. The last thing you want is a guy acting aggressively and off kilter to get ahold of that weapon. Shoot him in the leg or other extremity? I don't think so.

 

I totally agree with your assessment of erratic behavior there Lepton.

I guess we just differ at how to respond to our agreed definition erratic behavior. I personally don't see killing someone in response, as a tool that I would have used. But I wasn't there, I don't know what really went down. I know that I personally would have exhausted every possible effort to not kill someone.

If I felt my life was absolutely in danger I would shoot, to kill.

Although I don't think I would take a job at what is called a high crime area, if my only tool for crisis management was a gun. Like hiring a bouncer at a bar, they are usually very large men, or skilled fighters. I would not take a job in security, because I am not tough like that. I have a hard time turning the wheel when my power steering goes out

 

The thing that baffles me is that he used a gun rather than mace or stun gun. Methinks security guards ought to have a variety of non-lethal options available. Then again, we weren't there. I do hope they release the video.

 

Police and guards carry OC Spray which is MUCH stronger than mace, and its completly uselss most of the time. I only had to OC somebody twice in years of being a guard and it didnt even slow them down. Part of being certified to carry both OC and a TAZER is have the wonderful experience of being sprayed and shot by them, the TAZER will usually drop small people, large people or people under the influence it just pisses them off more. The OC is somewhat effective IF you can get them in the eyes. Even then it takes a second or two to him them, when your in fear of your life you dont have those seconds.

 

Having worked in the police for nearly ten years in Australia I can say that our training was always to shoot for Centre of the largest part of the body that is visible. We trained on the same principles as your FBI and we were told that that is the way most US law enforcement people train. Shooting for arms or legs is best left for cowboy movies. The aim is to stop the threat. A good shot through the middle of the torso tends to work for that.