DOT Proposes Use of Electronic Logbooks to Improve Efficiency, Safety in Commercial B

Have never been a company driver, so have no idea that side of the coin. But am a single o/o & have shown up at a company to deliver at 8 am as stated on paperwork & verified with a call a day/eve prior. So hypothetically drive 15 minutes to location only to find out the person with the only pen that can sign paperwork will not be there until 9 or maybe 10. So in the minds of a few of those above, I would be that unsafe outlaw if I scribbled anything else other than on duty driving 15 min & waiting patiently ON DUTY for an hour or two?

If someone is trying to roll 800 or more miles daily on caffeine & hope, yeah that is unsafe. The driver tweaking a few minutes at a stop or two because a shipper/receiver could care less about your time as they know they will not be charged one cent? Really? They have all the cards already, elogs for anything other than a routine route is stacking the deck tall in their favor. There are so many different variables in trucking no one rule or law can fit an entire industry.

Ask for that & their version of flexibility will be 8 hours on duty per day max, giving you 16 hours off duty to nap/sleep. While I agree it would be beneficial to have some room to work the 14, thinking any variation from here forward will be toward more parked time.

Personally would love to know who funds this legislation. I know safety groups & unions in general, but would love to see a complete list. How many elog mfg's have kicked into campaigns or pushed a law maker to nominate someone to the FMCSA.

 

Ask for that & their version of flexibility will be 8 hours on duty per day max, giving you 16 hours off duty to nap/sleep. While I agree it would be beneficial to have some room to work the 14, thinking any variation from here forward will be toward more parked time.

Personally would love to know who funds this legislation. I know safety groups & unions in general, but would love to see a complete list. How many elog mfg's have kicked into campaigns or pushed a law maker to nominate someone to the FMCSA.[/QUOTE]


Id bet there gettin some from the truck stops giants think how many more dollar fifty donuts and $5 cheeseburgers they'd sell its a mess

 

Let's talk about cheating..... Is it when a shipper takes nine hours to load you and your out of time and you can't stay on the property to sleep and you must go to a truck stop?

Or how about when it takes longer to load or unload and you haven't had a shower and need one and drive ten miles up the road?

or how about when the customer is in a really bad location and you fear for your life to spend the night near their property so you park can miles down the road at the truck stop and don't walk going the next day is that cheating?

or when I break down and I'm on the side of the road for six hours and run over my time waiting for roadside to come out to fix me do I risk my life by staying on the side of the road or do I proceed to the nearest truckstop or what the FMCSA would call Safehaven?

what about when you try finding a parking place at a truck stop and you drive through three parking lots at three different truckstops to not find any spots? I have spent over two hours before looking for a place to park with no luck! A EOBR would force me into parking at the fuel island or on the shoulder of the highway because I am forced to stop and not proceed to a safe spot. Is that going to better safety?

nobody in the government or White House even remotely understands the conditions that we go through on a daily basis their Somedays I may go to days without even getting a shower just because of the time that I have, sure I can stop and take an hour out of my day but then it would put me one load shorter for the week therefore dropping my revenue over $1000 for that week.

or how about these load confirmations were the brokers now say if you're not there on time you get charged by the hour or by the day sometimes as much as $100 an hour that you're late what about people like that there's some things that we have no control over whether condition accidents traffic we have no control over these things, but yet shippers and receivers and brokers do not understand that, that's not our fault.

I think it's funny that they sit there in a office and try to tell me how to do my job when in fact I'm out here in the real world doing real world stuff and I can still turn around and do their job better than they can do their own, Congress has no idea what it's like I wish everyone of them would take a week long ride along the truck to truly understand all the aspects of trucking.

I welcome any member of Congress a free ride along for one week they can even take two weeks I'll open my door to any of them to truly see what it feels like to ride with a true hundred percent owner operator that takes care of billing finding his own loads and everything!

 

Please re-read the OP and my response. Neither of us were talking about 10 hr. break or restarting the 11hr. clock.

OP was under the impression that he had to run during the entire 11 hr. drive time.
I was letting him know that he could go to off duty status whenever he stopped to make a delivery and that he had 14 hrs. to get his work done.

It's generally beneficial to read the posts before commenting.

 

what was wrong with the hos in the 1970s other than nobody enforced it.and before you drivers who werent there dont comment on something you dont know anything about.thank you

 

Yes. This will create a problem for some companies and could ultimately cut the pay of some drivers.
Many drivers are expected to work 16 hrs days, if that is what's needed to complete all the stops ---their truck is loaded, and they are given a list of stops that will generally take them 16 hrs to get that days deliveries done. If they are then placed on EBOR, their work day will have to end in 14 hrs.

The companies will have to alter the loads they expect to get done each day, hire more drivers, and since the workday will be cut short for their drivers, the company might cut their pay.

I'm just talking about a possible consequence of putting them on elogs.
I also wasn't aware that box truck drivers had to keep paper logs.

 

When you have .5 pre trip .25 fuel 2 hours to get loaded now how you gonna have time to stop is what I was sayin

No that's not what I ment its my 2nd week I understand that its the 14hr window is the problem

 

But GASP, it is not safe!!!

They are placing the total burden of compliance for this bs on the driver alone & oddly there are those that think it will help them.

& for those that think help is on the way. See what the head of the FMCSA thinks of you as of yesterday in response to HOS critique...

Rep. Richard Hanna suggested that FMCSA is “hurting the people that you are paid to help.”
He cited inaccurate and unreliable carrier data leading to misleading safety scores under CSA – and in turn to higher insurance costs, expensive litigation, and loss of business. Hanna was also critical of the FMCSA’s field study regarding the changes to HOS.
“These are real-world, tortuous problems that you’re putting these truckers through, and frankly the organization acts like they’ve got all the time in the world to correct these problems,” Hanna said. “I think you need to back up, ma’am, and take a look at some of this stuff. Are we so thick we can’t hear the very people whose lives we’re impacting? Is there nobody you believe except some academic who does a study?”
“I’m not hired to help the industry,” Ferro responded. “I’m hired to ensure the safety of the traveling public and improve the safety of the operations of trucks and buses. That’s what the agency was created to do, and as it’s lead I’m very proud to be a part of that.”
Ferro explained the hours-of-service rule was designed to reduce the cumulative fatigue experienced by truck drivers, and that while the agency recognizes the financial impact on trucking companies, there is a “much larger safety and health benefit.”

http://www.ccjdigital.com/ferro-defends-hours-of-service-change-csa-in-house-hearing/

 

all smoke and mirrors

elogs dont make anyone safer, it just gives government and sycophant drivers the ILLUSION of safety, meanwhile, making honest people outlaws for doing nothing other than trying to provide for their family

 

and what i really see happening is enslaving drivers to their truck, you cant go out to eat, you cant go to the movies, you cant go fishing

you drive, sit and drive and sit until you get home, then you get to play house for two or three days and back to the grind

this is not what trucking is supposed to be, where you are chained to this truck for the entire day

where guys are worrying about going to waffle house, or they have to drive 5mph to not trigger the elog, or they have to sleep on the shipper's property because they "ran out of hours"

what kind of madness is this???