I think my ECM is mixing hot wires into ground..

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  1. sandafleet

    sandafleet Bobtail Member

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    Here are my issues,
    Engine fan automatically cuts on with a cold engine and no AC on..
    Sleeper light doesn't work..
    ABS Light is on even though I've tore through wiring and computers and sensors
    Mirrors won't adjust..
    and most of all, MY JAKE BRAKE!!

    I installed new wiring and it still doesn't change anything.. I traced the wiring and found that the wiring running from the brakes to the ECM is fine, now there is three wires that run from the brakes (reddish-orange, brown, black) and go into the ECM.. when i check the wiring running out of the ECM and go into the plug that goes into the cab wall..its as if the three wires multiplied into ten or more wires.. in other words the three wires give off power to wires that don't even belong to jake brake.. and also when the ECM is all connected, and I put a tester that beeps to the end of the jake wire and one end on a ground point, it beeps positive.. in other words my ECM is mixing positive or hot wires with ground..is that possible for the ECM to go bad like that?

    05 Pete 387
    Cat C15 500 HP
    1,650,000 miles with a new rebuild..
     
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  3. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    ECM will only affect the engine fan and engine brake, from what you've listed here.

    FWIW, I had an engine fan that stayed on constantly in my 98 Pete 377 with Detroit 60. Turned out to be the wiring harness rubbing through the harness wire insulation at the back of the engine. The fuel temperature wire shorted to ground, and caused the fan to run continuously. At 1.65 mil, you could have wires in the harness that are broken inside the insulation where you can't see the problem. Also, since it's a new rebuild, perhaps some of the connectors weren't secured properly, or some of the internal pins on the connectors were pushed out when they were re-connected. Anything is possible with a truck with that high of a mileage. It's going to take time to go through everything to find the issues.

    Try to tackle one issue at a time, and use a methodical approach to troubleshooting.
     
  4. Toddsurfs

    Toddsurfs Bobtail Member

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    mine is showing trailer abs light(2015 dorsey) comes on the most, couple of times the low coolant light, regen and now the engine fan wont come on, had to run it in manual. 09 386 485isx
     
  5. wore out

    wore out Numbered Classic

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    Are you un hooking the Jake solenoid wire from the solenoid. If not you are grounding thru the solenoid body. A digital volt ohm meter is all you really want to use around the ECM as it has 12 v supply and 5v reference voltage for all sensors. For the Jake problem look right where the harness goes thru the valve cover most of the time you will find a wire broke inside the insulation as posted earlier. Gentle is key when unplugging and replugging connectors. Look in each one and make sure everything still looks right. Also check the clutch and brake switch, Some cats are set to only jake with the brake pedal when cruise is on. I would say you have harness issues not ECM trouble.
     
  6. BeenJammin

    BeenJammin Light Load Member

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    It's difficult to find ghosts and it will definitely turn your hair gray. Very seldom do cat ecms fail. Usually when you finally find your problem, it's like windsmith said. Shorted wiring or open wiring, shorted sensor that's corrupting voltage etc. You need a good wiring diagram and some code diagnostic equipment to begin the adventure. Supermiller has some available Pete wiring diagrams that you can view. I don't know if they cover your particular year and model but anything close would help with the guess work.
     
    yuban Thanks this.
  7. beemergary

    beemergary Light Load Member

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    I would start by doing some conduity tests. Best way to find a bad wire.
     
  8. GrapeApe

    GrapeApe Road Train Member

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    Do you have any codes in the engine or ABS ECM? I doubt that the ECM is mixing powers and grounds. Many inputs and outputs of the ECM switch the ground side of the circuit. When a ground opens, it will show full voltage at the ground. This is not supplied by the ECM, but from the component. If you have a simple circuit with a just a light, unhook the ground and the ground will read 12 volts because the circuit is open. The same thing happens when an ECM switches a ground to deactivate something. This is probably why you can back probe an see 12 volts at a ground pin.
     
  9. Goughtrucking

    Goughtrucking Bobtail Member

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    05 Peterbilt 379 c15 acert....tach ...volt meter and fuel gauge not working. put truck in reverse and everything works . Could it be a ground issue?
     
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