My church needed a driver for a bus trip from Ontario Canada to Smithsville Rhode Island. Guess who got asked? I've confirmed with the appropriate people that I'm qualified and legal to drive, I'm preplanned and know where I'm going, and I'll be getting hands-on practice on the bus I'm driving before I leave. What I haven't found out - precisely and accurately - is whether I need to log (I think so), and if there is any difference other than the US vs CDN HOS rules (11 vs. 13 driving, etc.) for driving a bus as opposed to driving a tractor trailer (which is my occupation). I've driven by a few open scales while working lately, but I don't want to bring down the MTO on my head for voluntarily stopping to ask a question. Any ideas, folks?
CDN Driver driving bus in US - To log or not to Log?
Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by cleanwaterguy, Apr 18, 2014.
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Log it!!! US Laws in the US and Canadian Laws in Canada.
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Do you have a passenger endorsement on the cdl?
Here is a link on the church bus issue and logging.
http://www.religiousproductnews.com...egal-Federal-Bus-Regulations-for-Churches.htm -
Perhaps a bit more detail - Bus is owned by a church in NY state, across the border from me in Cornwall Ontario Canada. Which you would think would make it a bit more convoluted, however according to the MTO (CDN equivalent of DOT), I am covered under my CDL because of a reciprocity agreement when it comes to CDL in Canada and US. In addition, I don't require my medical certificate because in Canada you are obliged to get your medical to get your CDL. (I'm bringing a copy anyway, just in case I get someone who isn't aware of that agreement.)
@Roadmedic - thanks for the info. I'm going to review it further, but on one piece of information from FMCSA.dot.gov I've found that 'Non-business Private Motor Carriers of Passengers are not subject to the record keeping requirements of this part, such as maintaining a logbook or record of duty status.'
The problem being is that in the information that you have given me says in the first line that Churches 'may be subject to the federal safety regulations for motor coaches and buses'. There's the problem. In my investigations and inquiries, just like in the business, there are a lot of 'maybe's' and 'perhaps's' - grey areas. Have a hard time with that when it's so important an issue. -
If the bus stays in the state it is not. It is quite clear on crossing state lines.
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It also says that the driver must have a CDL issued by the state. Mine is issued in Canada but I can drive a commercial vehicle is the US.
I think maybe a call to US DOT might be in order. Should have thought of that before. -
In my opinion, according to paragraph 6 and the hours being cumulative with your other job then yes you have to show/log it.
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The definition of a nonbusiness private motor carrier of passengers in relation to paragraph 6 and FMCSA rules would preclude me from having to log - I would just prefer to do it. That being said - as a Canadian driver, don't I fall under Canadian HOS rules even while in the US? I've checked the timing - the trip is approx. 7 hours and under CDN rules I can drive for 13. Even if I have to work within US rules, that would mean 11 hours, so timing would be ok.
Also - there is a 34 hour reset rule in the US, right? I'll be reset (off duty) for more than that before we leave. -
Read what I posted. You cannot drive a bus for 11 hours. It is 10 hours.
The reset laws in the states must have 2 periods of 1 am to 5 am in them and cannot be within 168 hours of the start of the last one taken. -
Sorry - you are right. Missed that one.
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