blown head gasket or egr cooler??

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  1. jking006

    jking006 Bobtail Member

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    2009 peterbilt 387. Isx cummins 719,000 miles

    Friday night I shut her off while I went inside truck stop.
    I was in there about 20 minutes. I went to leave started the truck she had a bad miss running on 5 cylinders for about 15 seconds. White smoke so bad that it filled the parking lot.
    I took it to a shop they put a tester on the coolant reservoir with a purple liquid that very quickly turned yellow. Not to mention the motor hydro locked after sitting a couple hours. That was Saturday morning. . They say head gasket possible that the head is junk too.. so we talked about a complete inframe. They couldn't start on it till today.. they called to tell me they now think it's only a egr cooler... I know the truck will burn antifreeze but I've never heard of hydro locking and having exaughst in the coolant reservoir from a bad egr cooler.
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  3. bjytech

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    If it's filling the cylinders up with coolant it's not the EGR cooler, I can't see any possible way a bad EGR cooler would get that much coolant past the EGR valve and up into the intake.
     
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  4. jking006

    jking006 Bobtail Member

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    Same here I've never heard that on a "big truck". The mechanic is going to pull the cooler and the egr valve and inspect them then call me back... that test they did on Saturday was a combustion detection test wich it failed instantly. . I'm not getting my hopes up on this I've come to accept a complete rebuild. . What sucks is I just bought the truck haven't had it long enough to make a payment yet.
     
  5. GrapeApe

    GrapeApe Road Train Member

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    A little too much coolant for an egr cooler, another vote for head gasket. This is how I diagnose an EGR cooler before I pull anything apart. I take the end off of my radiator pressure tester and run the hose into a jug of water so I can see the bubbles from the pressure escaping. Then I hook up to it with the laptop and force the turbo vanes to full close, which increases back pressue. If it's the EGR cooler, the extra exhaust back pressure will make a lot more bubbles. If it's the head gasket, not much will change.

    But, it sounds like you're well past that point. If it hydro locked after sitting, it's another thing pointing to the head gasket. For the EGR cooler to do that, the entire cooler and all piping going up to the intake would have to fill with coolant before it spilled over into a cylinder. That's pretty bad. It'd have to get past the EGR valve too, but it's not uncommon for them to be partially open or not seal 100% on shutdown.
     
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  6. jking006

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    I'm familiar with the bubbles test.. but that egr cooler or the egr valve itself wouldn't put combustion gasses into the coolant reservoir would it??
     
  7. GrapeApe

    GrapeApe Road Train Member

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    The EGR cooler is cooled by antifreeze. If it leaks, the exhaust gets into the cooling system. So yes, the cooler can put cumbustion gases in the coolant reservoir.

    Some EGR valves are cooled by antifreeze as well, I haven't seen one fail that put any exhaust in the coolant, but it could be possible I guess.
     
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  8. jking006

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    They called me back and said head gasket possible that the head is junk too. . So.... I guess it's best at 720,000 miles just to go ahead with an in frame. . Oh well at least now I'll have a fresh motor with some warranty on it. I owe I owe it's off to the shop I go
     
  9. russtrucker

    russtrucker Road Train Member

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    Check the how high the sleeve sticking out. If its out of specs shave the counterbore. Could be egr.
     
  10. jking006

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    They pulled the head today.. no sign of the gasket blown.. I don't know if they even took a good look at the egr valve or not.. they are so sure that it was the head gasket but now they say could be the head...
     
  11. Heavyd

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    It could be the head, but generally, the head gasket is destroyed during disassembly and any evidence of combustion tracking is destroyed too.
     
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