I'm glad you squeaked by for such foolish moves. I think you're incredibly lucky and I also believe you'd be more lucky if you didn't hear another word from the state. I'm sure if the judge knew you didn't even hold a CDL when you were pulled over the outcome would have been much different. The courts bought the "I hold a CDL now" and you got away with your future if no one catches up to that. Which is highly unlikely now. I would suggest you get the little green book and cover your ### and your employer by reading § 383.31.
You're also lucky to have a job operating equipment because it would be very difficult to get a job driving a truck with your lack of any training. Maybe a lawyer would have had all of your charges dismissed. I would have paid the money to protect my record so none of this would have show up. But you are satisfied with what you got and that's great.
Big Trouble, 5 criminal CDL tickets..
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by phoenixAM, Feb 23, 2008.
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(a) Each person who operates a commercial motor vehicle, who has a commercial driver's license issued by a State or jurisdiction, and who is convicted of violating, in any type of motor vehicle, a State or local law relating to motor vehicle traffic control (other than a parking violation) in a State or jurisdiction other than the one which issued his/her license, shall notify an official designated by the State or jurisdiction which issued such license, of such conviction. The notification must be made within 30 days after the date that person has been convicted.
1) I was charged pryer to obtaining my CDL and I was not charged for operating a CMV without the CDL. So i'm not so sure this applies to me because it's worded as though it applies only to CDL holders who were convincted of a traffic violation while operating a vehicle and in possession of a CDL... Am I right?
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I called the FMCSA there in AZ and basically you're in the clear now. There's a very very small chance that you will be held accountable for this incident. However, your company may get in hot water for dispatching you without a CDL if they look. And that it's up to the inspector on what he's looking for during a company inspection. What you're getting at about not having a CDL at the time so you don't have to comply with §383.31 is just foolish and not covering your ###. If you were smart you'd put all the load on to your employer because notifing him of your "no medical card" is no big deal. But that's up to you, but I would want all of this behind me.
I will pass this on to you on what the FMCSA said. They were not surprised that you got away with such a small charge after a serious infraction. They said that courts and judges are not aware of all the regulations that pertain to trucking. They go out and train these judges the best the can but they're no where near where they should be. In fact they pay the judges to attend their training and the judge gets paid for the judges he trains. They were also surprised that your officer did not make a fuss on what you received. So you were very lucky like I said before. And not having a truck lawyer worked out for you this time. But don't be stupid and think you can do that every time. If you would have had a judge that knew the laws you would have been charged with no CDL and the other serious infractions and you would have a very hard time driving a truck ANYWHERE. -
very glad to hear that.
What do you mean exactly? Is this IF an inspector shows up? Could you explain further?
Same here believe me.
GasHauler, I understand your concern and criticism, and rightfully so. But from this day forward any time I operate a CMV I will always pre-trip and will comply with all saftey regulations and standards. I didn't think this was a game then and I don't think it is now. I don't feel like I've won over on anyone either. I'm just lucky that someone considered my honesty and the fact that I took the responsibility to amend the infractions. The DA took all of this into consideration before making his decision and I'm greatful he did.
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I'll never forget the first time I went to court. I was naive. I was in law school at the time. My neighbor's dog barked 24 hours a day. It was one of those ten pound dogs that barked like it was 100 pounds to make itself feel important. After months of trying to study while that furry creature annoyed me I started calling the police to enforce the dog barking ordinance. Three or four times of this and having to explain to each 21 year old police officer with no education what the law said and I finally convinced one officer to issue a violation.
I kept contact with the city attorney regarding prosecution of the matter and learned this was the first time of the law going to court. On court day the old guy shows up and in a nut shell tells the judge that I am an ####### (he was right but that should have been legally inadmissable) because I have vanity license plates that say LAW4MNY and that his wife just died (she died after the violation was issued and before court). The judge asks old guy if his dog barks a lot. Old guy says yes but he doesn't think it is a big problem since he can't hear it because he is hard of hearing. Judge issues ruling of not guilty.
The point of this is that judges can do what ever they want and the only recourse (at least in Kansas) is to 1) be voted out of office. 2) be subject to reversal on appeal, 3) subject to discipline by disciplinary administrator for state licensing authority. Since the city prosecutor would not appeal, judge was home free and he knew it. Later, I had other judges tell me they hadn't been overruled by an appeal's court in a while so they were going to do whatever they wanted even if it was clearly not supported by precedent.
The officer objecting to the judges ruling in your case means that the officer that issued your violations should have been present as a witness for the prosecution of your violations. The Prosecutor gets to decide what comes before the judge and he can drop all charges if he wants to even if you ARE (in GOD's eyes) guilty. If the prosecutor drops the charges the judge does not have any authority over you for the dropped matter regardless of the annoyed government DOT officer. He is just a witness.
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phoenixAM said: ↑Alright, The moment we've all been waiting for - the conclusion to my case.
Man I felt like I was getting absolutley no where and that I might as well pay the grand and forget about driving big trucks when...
I finally got ahold of the prosecutor after a week of leaving msg's. He heard me out and at the end of our conversation he had some good news for me and agreed on letting up on some of the charges. All I had to do was show up on my next court date and he'd leave a note with his assistant DA to have her contact him when I showed up.
Well I went into court today and waited patiently until they called me into the court room, sure enough she found the note the DA had left about my case and she called him down to meet with me. Unlike the judge and assistants da's, this guy seemed cool ya know? He was human instead of a money-collecting machine which is honestly how the city left me feeling on my initial appearence. Anyways, I explained my case again and provided proof that I got my CDL and the truck all taken care of. In return he dropped the No Valid Commercial Drivers License charge, along with the Operation of Unsafe Vehicle, and failure to provide insurance/registration stuff as well as the audible air leak charge. In return I had to take the rap for not having my med card on me and the unsafe equipment charge. i.e. the cracked mirror and I also had to plea to 'defective trailer brake' charge. He told me that my CDL should not be suspended because of those charges. But I'm not ruling out anything until a month or two goes by without anything showing up in the mail. My boss paid for the fine which was reduced well--well under $1,000+ that they wanted me to pay to begin with. So all in all I think it turned out alright considering what I was facing pryer to discussing it with the DA. Instead of breaking a leg I stubbed a toe instead ya know?
And..
I looked into getting a lawyer... but on the phone the prosecutor told me that we would be going to trial if i could not come to an agreement on the atleast some of the charges. So consider that before griping on me for not getting an attorney.
Alright well thats that. I got work bright an early tomorrow and considering no notifications from DMV show up in the mail which I don't think they will.. I'll be water/dump trucking legally
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Talk isn't always cheap, it saved me plenty
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Next time make sure u take that truck to Jiffy Lube before you take the long trip
on the side do they require truckers to take a wrench/prybar etc. to every nook and cranny before leaving ? -
phoenixAM did you get my PM???
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just got off work, got your PM, i'll shoot you an email soon thanks man.GasHauler said: ↑phoenixAM did you get my PM???Click to expand...
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