HOS violation

I've been on e logs for years. They are really good in some ways and a lot easier to work with after you get used to them but they cause a lot of similar issues. One minute violations etc. Log edits and corrections happen all the time. No problem!

 

no doubt I pulled mine up and looked though the violations I have a bunch of them less than 2 min and a couple 10 to 15. only one longer than 15 it was like an hour and 5 min I was not getting stuck in pa over the weekend.

 

BS. You tell them the truck will be leaving loaded or not. HOS violations are a big deal.

 

..Ummm,No paper would not of avoided the violation..You are still in violation weather you run paper logs or E-logs...What you meant to say was..."Well if I was on paper logs I could of cheated a lot eazier" which is the reason DOT wants to push e-logs..to put all the cheaters out of busisness...

 

Let me echo what the BigDogPile is expressing. The above statement shows a lack of understand about logs. Hours of service regulations are suppose to protect you from having to work so long that you fail to get enough rest and therefore are a danger to yourself and the general public. They are your friend if you treat them right.

You are in violation of the letter of the law for doing what you did. Shame on you. However what you did was perfectly fine with the spirit of the law. Had you gotten caught no jury would have convicted you but some DOT officers would have written you a ticket just to show you who was boss.

Now lets examine having a paper log so you can lie on your logbook and show that you actually did not do what we all know you did. That is falsifying a government document and it is a crime. So the comment that paper logs are good for that shows a certain criminal rational. I know. I am a felon.

Your safety department had no problem editing your log. What you do now is write that down in a little book and file it away. If years to come your safety department tries to sc rew you over, you have a bullet. On such and such a day, safety falsified my logs by changing them. I as the driver am the only one who can say my logs are true.

Now if you are an Union member, you can refuse to move your truck and go dead in the dock. Railroaders do it all the time. Engineers can drive a train only for so long and then they park the train right where it is. A dot officer cannot force you to violate HOS rules. Lets say he tries. You are past your 14 hours and you are told to move your truck. You pull out and hit the first available object. Who is liable? Therefore, it is up to you to move or not move. You cannot be forced to do so.

In life, you pick your fights. Letting your safety people do something that is common sense is okay in my book. But it isn't legal.

 

I would never,ever agree to have safety guy in house "edit" my logs..I sign mine everyday(under the penalty of perjury) that all entries are true and correct and only entered by me...therefor there is no misunderstanding of anything on my logs,for example,I cant say "well the in-house clown was supposed to get me legal again but he forgot...

 

Safety didnt falsify his logs, they simply put a note in the remarcks that he moved to get to a safehaven. The violation is still there. A citation can still be issued by DOT any time in the next 6 months if DOT comes in and audits the logs at the drivers home terminal. DOT can see who added the remarcks.
Most will see that the driver simply moved 10-15 minutes down the road to a truckstop or rest area and shut down for the required 10 hour break and will look the other way. Some will make an example out the driver.

The FMCSA is supposedly looking into this issue, and thinking about forcing shippers and receivers to provide safe havens to those drivers that can't legally make it to a safe haven.

That being said if the industry could get rid of those unprofessional drivers who think its perfectly acceptable to throw their trash out the window, and urinate anywhere they please, this probably wouldn't be an issue now.

 

This would be the right thing to do, but wouldn't you get in trouble with your company? What happened to off duty time?

 

I missed this and had to go back are re read the original posting. You are correct and I am incorrect. It is common practice for a company to change the logs so they are legal but not accurate. This e logging with reality is new to me.

 

you mean the OP didnt turn into a pumpkin at the stroke of midnight
who knew