So far the only incorrect facts are yours. You want to convince yourself by statistics that don't even apply then go ahead and feel better. But before you trash the advice of experience why don't you pick up the FMCSR pocketbook and read § 383.51 Disqualification of drivers. We all know you were not in a CMV (thank God) when you committed your violations but this is what the insurance and companies will look at. Points really do not mean all that much during pre-hire because it's what you did that they are interested in. And you have just a couple of FACTS here that will hurt you. 15mph over the posted speed limit IS considered as a serious offense when it comes to CMV's.
I'm sorry if you think 3 violations in 3 years covers ALL violations. It just does not. But if you feel we are all wrong and you're convinced none of us have been through this process then knock your lights out. I suggest going straight to the best of the companies. It's very rare when they get a prospect that knows all there is to know.
Driving record too bad to be employable...????
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Irishman, Apr 22, 2008.
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Muleskinner <strong>"Shining Beacon of Chickenlights"</strong>
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3 in 13 months... which is why I was surprised FL DMV hasn't given him a revocation. -
The gap of 2 in a year and 3 in 13 months. Florida may be like Illinois.
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I understand... FL is more generous than NY or CA... in both of them, the specifications of mandatory revocation is 3 within 18 months.
When I was around 21, I managed to get 2 revocations with just 4 speeding tickets... 1st one was older,
then I got 2 more within 2 months... bingo, revoked for six months. When I got the license back, the oldest one
had dropped off, but the two most recent were still on there... then I got the 4th speeding, which put me back
at 3 within 18 months and BAM, revoked again for another 6 months. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. -
It's a bit unfair to suggest that I'm a know all.
I posed the question here, precisely because I do not know. As a newbie, you must take into account, how it is difficult for me, to fully comprehend the difference, between what sort of driving record is acceptable, and what is not.
One driving school told me my record was fine. Hundreds, if not thousands of companies advertise jobs, stating that 3 moving violations in 3 years will not disqualify an applicant. From the responses I have recieved to this thread here, it's plain to me, that I will indeed have a problem.
It's also clear to me, that this forum provides a huge amount of usefull information to folks, that are unsure of certain things. I've read on this forum, that no question is to stupid to ask. Obviously, you are not one of the many people here, that made this statement.
My driving record looks, and is terrible now. It does not reflect my 35 years of accident free driving, or the fact that, the only other blemish I have, is two parking tickets in that time. Everyone here, that has contributed with their opinion, are absolutely correct. I will have a problem getting hired. Please forgive me if it took a little while to sink in. There are so many mixed signals coming from the research I have done.
It's also a little disingenuous, to be lectured to by a retired driver, who suffers from sleep apnea, who has been in an accident involving loss of life, and who has a criminal record, and God only knows what else. I'll gladly take all the advise, you and any others have to offer me, but save your lectures for someone else. -
I didn't read all the post contained within this thread. So if you've heard it already...
Basic response: Forget school for the time being. Save your money.
You have 2 tickets at 15+ mph above the posted limit. NO major company will even consider you for employment. These are considered major infractions aka Reckless Driving.
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Muleskinner <strong>"Shining Beacon of Chickenlights"</strong>
Just wondering...Have you ever seen the end result of a class 8 truck crashing at speeds in excess of 90 mph.....It's not a pretty sight and you can ruin many ,many lives at one shot....Far be it from me to get onto somebody about speeding as I've bullshipped on and off for many moons and NEVER had a speeding ticket in my entire life(not saying I haven't had tickets for other things,(weight,logs,seatbelt).
This isn't a kids game and you can really do damage to other people out there.It takes a lot of smarts to speed with a measure of safety (rural areas,low traffic areas etc)and it doesnt look as if you've made it there yet.
I was joking around with you in the beginning because I thought YOU were joking too...You need to listen to these guys and save yourself some major aggravation..Hang out for awhile till your record clears and stay off the right hand pedal and try again at a later date....Trucking will still be here...Maybe.
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That's because they (the driving schools) are in the business of "teaching" commercial driving...they would tell anyone with eyes, legs, and arms that they are just fine no matter how many violations they have. I can see them now....
Potential student: "Do you think I will have a problem getting a job after I finish your school even though I have two reckless driving charges and a felony drug transportation conviction?"
Recruiter for driving school: Hell no! We once had a guy in here who was a mother raper, and a father raper, with three speeding tickets and a DUI...got him a job with no problem!" If we got him a job, you know we can get you a job...trust me!
This is what has me puzzled and what I would be really cautious of if I was an employer. You claim 35 years of ticketless driving, so my guess is you are somewhere in your 50's. I could more understand these tickets if you were a stupid kid and got them...but getting tickets for 92 mph in your 50's is beyond belief. Did you just feel that the speed laws applied to others? What changed in your life that all of a sudden after 35 years of ticketless driving you have picked up all these speeding tickets? Something isn't right here and if I was hiring for a company, you would have to do more explaining than you have for me to even begin to think about trying to get you past my insurance company objections. You have got me baffled...
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Nealin...........I now have a better understanding of how some of the systems work. Remember, I am new to this, and have been doing a lot of research. I can see now, why a school recruiter would b/s. But, when I see all these companies advertising jobs, where 3 violations in 3 years is ok, and a school recruiter says the same thing ???? Because I am new to this, you must see why I could be misled.
I also spoke with a recruiter from Prime. She told me to submit an application, and their safety dept would take a look at it. It's only natural for a newbie to believe that, if I did'nt qualify, why not just tell me that, and not waste their own time. I'm not trying to argue the point, merely trying to convey how confusing it is for someone new to all this.
I owned a business, during which I employed probably 200 drivers over the years. ( cargo van deliveries). I would find out from a potential employee on the phone, if his record was a problem or not. If his record was of a nature that I could'nt employ him, I would'nt waste his time and mine by having him come for an interview.
As to my speeding tickets, and how I managed to aqquire them all of a sudden. Here I will blame that beautifull, big, wide stretch of the Florida Turnpike. I don't mean to make light of it, but I'm driving a very substantial car, and gunned the engine to overtake an 18 wheeler doing about 85mph.Just after getting by him, I spotted the trooper. I pulled over as soon as I saw him take off. I knew I was done for.
I had just moved to Florida from the New York. I don't know.....no excuse....pure stupid.......just pure xxxx stupid. But here I am now.
I've worked hard all my life, obeyed the laws (with these exceptions), paid the taxes,done everything right. Now I want to get into trucking. Somehow I'll make it work. Ever the optimist. If I can get an insurance company to write a policy, no matter what the cost, I may just buy a truck and trailer, and hire an experienced guy, to sit on with me for six months. It would be a costly method, but, thankfully money is not a huge issue.
I've been riding my motorcycle around South America for the last year. I'm writing this from a small town called Cucuta, on the Colombian/ Venezuelan border. In the last year I've gone back to the States for a few short trips. Now I'm ready to go back full time...........I'd just love to do the trucking thing.
All the best.............take care.
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