Career path discussion... from new rookie to seasoned pro....

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Commuter69, Jul 26, 2014.

  1. Commuter69

    Commuter69 Road Train Member

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    Ok, I know we are putting the proverbial trailer in front of the truck here, but I wanted to start a discussion on this topic early so I have some food for thought. Perhaps someone else out there is making these same kinds of decisions and can also benefit.....

    First, a little background; I have already discussed the minor details of my driving background and my personal situation in a prior post.

    I was able to locate a company willing to take me into their driver training program as a trainee, and under a scholarship program offered to honorably discharged veterans, are willing to subsidize the costs incurred by the training (travel to the school, fees for physical, licensing expenses, housing for the duration of the school, and the ability to store my car at what will likely be my home facility while I am in training) in exchange for a 13 month agreement to remain on board as a company driver; so I have time for these decisions. From what I understand, the school is a 3 week school, followed by 200 hours behind the wheel with a mentor/trainer before full licensing. We are past the "If we can proceed" part an are nailing down the "When and How we can proceed" part. I am waiting for an answer to my prime question and should know in the next couple of days depending on the answer (from California's 2nd most hated state run organization: the Employment Development Department, the first being DMV and I dealt with both of them over the last couple of weeks).

    Let's say I get past the school and the behind the wheel successfully (I have no reason to expect that won't happen). Where should my next steps be?

    I am thinking:

    6 months as a team driver
    6-8 months as a solo driver
    This will give me 14 months as a company driver, at which point, I might consider either leaving, but would prefer to explore pathways to owner-operator (lease-purchase?) driver.

    During this time, what certifications should I pursue to make myself more valuable/marketable (besides the obvious thing of keeping a safe driving record both on the job and off)?

    Are there any recommendations? Good or bad stories? What should I pursue, what should I avoid?
     
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  3. 77smartin

    77smartin Road Train Member

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    Get past school...then training...then......
     
  4. Ridgeline

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    Yeah get on the road first, then make plans. YOU may need to be with a team for a year or solo for a couple.
     
  5. CrappieJunkie

    CrappieJunkie Wishin' I was fishin'

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    Work on getting endorsements, doubles/triples, hazmat, and tanker....these are just written tests. Since your former military you may have a twic card and passport if not get them. Thanks for your service btw
     
  6. BulletProof

    BulletProof Medium Load Member

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    I'm not sure why some of these guys act like it's a bad thing to plan ahead. If you have a plan in place it gives you something to work towards. Sure some plans don't work out but you adjust and keep on going. I made a plan and so far everything is going according to plan with a few minor exceptions but at least I know where the end of the tunnel is and I'm not just going about day to day.

    My plan was to get my CDL, drive for a couple of years, and buy a truck and get my own authority and start hauling for myself and eventually expand. So far, I've got my CDL, I've been driving with the same company for the past 2 years pulling a dry van, and I have the cash to go get my truck and trailer but I'm waiting to see what happens with this new law they're pushing to up the insurance from $750k to $4mill. So, I adjusted my plan and now I'm trying to get on with a local fuel hauling company so I can double my salary until I feel that the economy is stable enough for me to go buy a truck and trailer. Like I said, you may have to adjust your plan but I would suggest having a plan in place.

    As far as endorsements go, I would get all that you can. I didn't do that because I didn't go through a school. I just used a truck at my company and took the driving test. The thought had never crossed my mind of pulling a tanker or pulling doubles or even hauling hazmat. Now that I'm trying to get on with this local fuel hauling company, it has put me behind because I don't have my hazmat or tanker. So, I'm having to go monday and take my tanker test and my company is setting me up to go get finger printed and my background for my hazmat then I have to find a day to go take the test. All of these days means I'm not making money because I have to take off. If I had got them from the beginning, I wouldn't be scrambling to get them now.

    If you're wanting to eventually own a truck, do yourself a favor and do not go lease purchase. I see too many posts from guys on here making $300 after everything is paid every week and after they pay on the truck for 5 years they still have a payment of thousands of dollars at the end for a wore out truck. If you're good with money and don't spend a lot on things you don't NEED, put some back every week. In a couple of years when you're ready, you could go pay cash for a truck and not have a $1500 or $2000 payment every month. That is what my wife and I did and now I have $130k to get a truck and trailer. Do your team/solo stuff and just keep your head down and work. Don't job hop because that cuts down your money every time you have to go to someone else's training for 2 months making $300/week.

    And last, but certainly not least, thank you very much for your service.
     
    Commuter69 Thanks this.
  7. Commuter69

    Commuter69 Road Train Member

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    Thanks; this is the kind of advice I was looking for.
     
  8. Commuter69

    Commuter69 Road Train Member

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    Ok, I attended the training academy offered by Swift and just returned yesterday. Let me say that I was not pleased and could not complete the course successfully. Here is why:

    The academy that is in place with Swift is operated by Truck Driver Academy on their behalf and, had I been asked to pay for it, I would be upset thinking I did not get my money's worth: the charge for the training was $4900 including costs for housing PLUS round trip transportation costs via Greyhound between my home location and the school site. I was there under the scholarship they offer veterans, had I successfully completed the course, I would have needed to stay on as a company driver for 13 months.

    The class size was so large, there were 4 students per teacher for driving on the road, and 8 students per teacher in the finer skills (straight line backing, parallel parking, offset parking, and alley dock). Despite repeated attempts on my part to ask for more time and practice on the skills that I knew I needed, I was denied and was dropped. Looking at my notes, the first week was spent as follows:

    Day 1: drug screening and DOT physicals, some videos and not much else.
    Day 2: 'study' and practice tests for the DMV written exams (which I passed, with no help from this as I had purchased a CDL study book published by Barron's and was reading that instead of the materials given).
    Day 3: DMV for the whole group, due to a number of issues, and the class size, it was six hours before I got to speak with a DMV employee that told me that 'Oh, your license is on hold, sorry we cannot do anything'.
    Day 4: after resolving the issue with the court (the court failed to lift a flag on my license), I had to return to DMV and did not finish there until lunch; so nearly 12 hours was spent with DMV!
    Day 4 and 5: some more videos, and practice with logs.

    After that, we spent 2 days with the Air Brakes test and pre-trip / post-trip inspection.

    The second week was spent behind the wheel as follows:

    AM: on the road 3 students to a truck per instructor; I spent 1 hour driving (for a total of 6 hours in the 60 hour week!)
    PM: parking lot practice on fine skills (10-15 minute intervals for 4 hours per day, giving MAYBE an hour per day behind the wheel on these).

    In comparison, when I take a motorcycle safety course, which is usually an 8 hour DAY, we spend more than 7 of it on the seat riding the range! In order to maintain the insurance discount and keep my skills sharp, I typically take this course at least every other year.


    One of the road sessions was interrupted with a need to return to the site for gas and all of us had time taken that day; another one was interrupted by the need to 'regen' the engine and all of us had more time taken on that day as well.


    Since my problem is not with SWIFT, just the school they use and how it is operated, the door was left open for me to complete the training I need elsewhere and return as a licensed, yet inexperienced driver (assuming I do not find a better offer elsewhere for inexperienced drivers in the process). The good thing is that I left with a Class A learner's permit and a DOT physical/long form. That said, I found a local school here that I can get into that maintains a 4-1 student teacher ratio and gives more behind the wheel hours. Their 'range' is set up almost identical to what the DMV uses to test on. This morning, I went to a local one - stop career center to inquire about VA or Workforce Investment Act grants for this (the VA has no program currently that I qualify for since the VRAP program expired without extension); I should be able to get a grant through WIA.

    Since the school accepts VA funding, I reported my experience to the VA, hoping that the VA pulls it's certification from the school and stops funding them for GI Bill / other VA benefit recipients.

    I will say that, of the group I went with, those that succeeded had prior experience driving, those that did not have the experience, were released; yet the senior instructor claims an 80% success rate..... BS!!!

    That said, unless you have prior driving experience, STAY AWAY FROM TRUCK DRIVING ACADEMY (http://www.tdadrivers.com/), OR ANY EMPLOYER SPONSORED TRAINING OPERATED BY THEM!
     
  9. BulletProof

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    I really hate to generalize things but any school sponsored by the company will probably end up the same way. Some are good. Most are not. I never did cdl school. Just gota truck and trailer and went and took the test buti see a lot of people on here having better experiences with training through a tech college than with a cdl school. It usually takes longer but from what I've read the quality is better and you can use your GI bill for it and you're not tied to a company for 12+ months to pay back their "school"
     
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