What is the average mileage rate for a owner operator?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by chris_karr, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. DrivingForceBehindYou

    DrivingForceBehindYou Medium Load Member

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    Yes, it's realistic. Only it's before taxes, all kind of time loss due to break downs , unprecedented laziness and periods when you are fed up with low ballers so you just deadhead home for a week or so.
    Also I'll just assume that you will run a dry van, especially being on your own, not leased to a reputable company your best shot is to pick up odd loads that a big carrier can't cover, this is where you can dictate your higher rate, when you can stick it to them once in a while. They ll pay if it's a crucial load and they don't want to lose a customer.So when a broker calls you at midnight you pick up and hustle.

    Other than that I never thought of Virginia as a hot freight area, so an option to bank dough might be when you go to Northeast for 3.5$ per mile and maybe get out for 1.5 if you are lucky or do shorter runs which will coast you time. So if you can't negotiate that kind of rate coming out of a bad area you are already behind the ball . That's just an example, does not have to be Northeast, could be South Florida or North Dakota.
    All in all the chances are you ll try to average 2.5 but end up somewhere closer to two, so that mediocre fuel economy will have a say regardless. The big secret is to find a direct customer in a bad freight area, hard but not impossible.
    At least you realize what your costs are , if you don't have a dollar per mile of profit left, then it's time to reconsider the goals or the path to get to them.
     
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  3. Ruthless

    Ruthless Road Train Member

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    What the guys are telling you is that as an independent: where you are, and what trailer you pull, aren't the only factors in your success. Knowing how to price your services and treating your business as a business will serve you better than trying to get .01mpg better on your ifta quarterly, or buying a specialized piece of equipment because you heard rates are higher for that type of equipment.
     
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  4. chris_karr

    chris_karr Light Load Member

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    I based the numbers above on $2.50 a mile. The goal is at least a dollar a mile profit at a minimum. Virginia truly sucks for freight. I can at least get freight to cover my expenses to a area where I book a pickup on a good load. Would that work?
     
  5. Lark

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    I'm not a trucker just a guy with 30+ years in aviation management trying to get a grasp of the business side of trucking. Having said that I noticed you said you'll be buying the rig outright so no payment. That's great but unless somebody gave you a bag of free cash to buy your truck and trailer you should expect a return on your capital investment. At a minimum you should treat the cash you lay out as an interest free loan from yourself and a monthly expense and pay yourself back. Your goal should be to make what you feel is an acceptable profit margin and get all the cash you invested back into the bank.
     
  6. chris_karr

    chris_karr Light Load Member

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    That is the ultimate goal, but I did not think of it that way! I could get a return rather quick within three years if I continue living the way I do. I live pretty comfortably as it is only spending 35,000 a year to live so if I were to gross 103,000 in profits a year from 48 weeks of driving at 2000 miles a week "average" I could still take home $70,000 after all expenses which I did not list here. Some pretty good tractors second hand out there that I've seen for about $100,000-$130,000 with under 100,000 miles which is nuts considering the class 8's can go 1mil+
     
  7. Lark

    Lark Bobtail Member

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    Are taxes in your numbers somewhere? I suspect if you were to post a break down of your estimated expenses you'd get a good reality check on this site. I've seen truckers on this forum do a better job of capturing costs per mile than many aviation companies do capturing flight hour cost on Multi million dollar aircraft. Keep digging you have to know and feel comfortable with what your costs are going to be. Don't let that cash burn a hole in your pocket. Ask yourself this. Would you go to the bank and borrow $130,000 and buy a truck with the information you have now? In my mind if the answer is no then your not ready to invest your own money in a truck just yet.
     
  8. Oscar the KW

    Oscar the KW Going Tarpless

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    No, where is the profit in breaking even?
     
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  9. 281ric

    281ric Road Train Member

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    I agree w Oscar.That line of thinking will get you in trouble really quick.
     
  10. chris_karr

    chris_karr Light Load Member

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    Maybe I should drive for a company for a year or so to learn more? Deffinitly not trying to just jump in lose that's why i'm here trying to learn more.

    I was told by someone I should start with a company then become a lease operator for awhile because I would learn far mlre that way. Like i could gey experience with melton or swift amd then go with a percentage lease at schneider after i get experience, then once I learn the ins and outs I can work towards being on my own. The lease operators there get 65% averaging 800-1000 a week with 100% fuel surcharge "this is what i've been told."
     
  11. double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    Here's my ballpark numbers for a dry van doing 100,000-120,000 miles/year:

    50cpm fuel
    45cpm driver
    30cpm maintenance & eventual equipment replacement (tractor & trailer)
    7cpm insurance
    7cpm registration, fees, plates, permits, & compliance costs
    5cpm ifta & weight-distance taxes
    4cpm misc expenses (showers, hotels, tolls, parking)
    2cpm office & communications
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    $1.50 minimum (includes cost of new truck & trailer every ~7 years)

    I'm aiming to have at least $1.60/mile revenue for all miles -- & so far I've done a bit better ($1.70), but the pool of brokers is pretty slim when starting out...
     
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