How do you use the "Off Duty" line?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Thronapple, May 4, 2008.

  1. Thronapple

    Thronapple Bobtail Member

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    I'm in Michigan and I ask the officer in the coop just across the border from Ohio on I-75.
    He was the one that said I could pick up the 6 pack, not me. It's your personal vehical at this point because your not under dispatch but Off Duty. Those were his words. That seems to go along with the above also.
    I agree if you can't drive after 11 or 14 or 70 why do you think you can do any better just because your pen slipped up a half inch and ran across the pad?
    Another point, he (the officer I talked to) didn't say I had to be bobtailing eather. In fact he used the fact that another officer might not allow it cause he might say or think I was moving to pick up a load even though I was going home.
    It seems to be OK to drive anywhere in a CMV in off duty time except to pick up a load.
    He said that they find carriers that force there drivers to do this to stretch there time.
     
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  3. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Not us! I am leary on this one as I stated before. Gotta be carefull! Really! Accidents happen and what will the jury read and there is other Q & A that contridict the one above, just can't find them (son wants his computer).
     
  4. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    You made my point for me on picking up beer. I WOULD NOT TAKE THE CHANCE!
     
  5. Thronapple

    Thronapple Bobtail Member

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    OK Logs:
    Did I do it right?
    I was "off duty" yesterday till 9am when I got the call to pick up.
    I did a pretrip and took off, logging the pretrip in "On duty not driving".
    I picked up and logged the pick up in "On duty not driving" and arrived at my drop at 13:15.
    I logged my drop till 13:30 and my post trip till 13:45 on "On duty not driving".
    Then I went to the "Off Duty" line.
    I then went to Wal-Mart to park but found a big sign saying NO TRUCKS!
    Went to Meijers to park and found the same sign with smaller print that said No Overnight Parking. So I stayed there waiting for a call and got none.
    Not wanting to stay where I wasen't wanted I left for another spot I was sure I could park but it had gone out of business and another sign No trucks.
    20 miles later and it's now 20:30 I pulled into a REAL truck stop and went to bed.
    Question: The last place on my log was at my drop. I went Off duty and have no "change of service" to drop a leg down to mark where I'm at.
    Is it OK to just drop a leg down and say I'm here with no change of service?
    Or as some would say I should have logged all of my driving as driving then done my post trip and I would have my place of stopping to report.
    What do you think?
    t.
    Oh, and don't forget,...Keep your stick on the ice!
     
  6. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    I am sorry to say the time you left that drop you was still working! Regardless if you was getting paid or not! You should of logged any driving time as driving and any time as sitting as either "off duty" or "sleeper" if that's what you was doing.

    You are not allowed to do what you want from the time you drop a load. You must log the time leaving a customer etc.


    Keep this in mind:

    I asked the Federal DOT if a driver is # a customer and has no hours can he/she drive to the nearest place to take their break:

    His response was: Now this is a quick easy version (I thought I posted it here somewhere a long time ago???)..

    1) Either you have someone tow the truck
    2) The driver stays there for their proper break


    So there is no legite reason to leave a customer without logging it:biggrin_25511:
     
  7. dieselhound

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    What I would do is,

    1. If the place you stayed was the same city you picked up in, I would just log it as if you never moved the truck.

    2. If it's a different city, I would stay at your drop off on your log, until you get a load. When you get your load, add the miles from your drop to your pick up.

    3. Log directly from your drop to where your at, call it a night.


    You can't just drop a leg unless your in the same city or close enough to say it's the same city.

    This what I would do. I only log .25 of an hour to load and the same to unload that's all. I like "off duty" line because there is NO required time you have to log there. In the sleeper you have to log a minimum of 2 hours, and "on duty" only takes from you driving hours of you 70. "Off duty" is effects your 14 but, not your 70. Is #2 it legal? No, not at all. As long as you have no problems everything works out. If you get in an accident, you better catch it up to where your at. That won't be hard because your only a few miles away and you will be leaving for your pick up. I say #3 is your best bet.
     
  8. Thronapple

    Thronapple Bobtail Member

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    I was afraid that you would say that. That means when the office checks it with the computer I'll get a nasty letter.

    Ok so I should drop a flag and say I'm at Wal-Mart, then drop a flag and say that I'm at Meijers, and drop a flag and say that I'm at my final destination and then do my post trip. Right?

    IOW's I can't drive when "off duty" Right?

    That doesn't go with your post above when we were saying that a driver could log off duty and go get a 6 pack and go to the local Motel 6 for the weekend.

    As far as the fed saying that you have to tow or sleep at the spot you run out who's going to pay the tow? Some of the consignee's get very tight when you say that Uncle Sam says I got ta go ta night-night. Don't wake me for 10 hours.

    Thanks
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  9. Thronapple

    Thronapple Bobtail Member

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    Dieselhound you sound like my dispatcher.
    Don't worry about the hours. Just take the load. Figure it out when you get there.
    Hummmmm???
    I'm trying to figure this off duty line out so it can be used legally but that doesn't seem to be an opption.
    Eather you can drive when off duty, or you can't? Maybe it depends on the time of day? I don't know?
    Maybe we should come to some agreement (as if what we say means anything?) as to the meaning or qualifacation of line #1 Off Duty.
     
  10. Lurchgs

    Lurchgs Road Train Member

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    Thornapple

    The problem here is, I think, that FMCSR 395.2 defines "Driving time" as "any time spent at the controls of a commercial motor vehicle while it is in operation"

    So.. the time spent looking for a place to nap-out is still driving time. On/off duty doesn't really enter into it.
     
  11. dieselhound

    dieselhound Medium Load Member

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    LOL, OK. NO you can't EVER drive a commercial vehicle on "OFF DUTY."It's kind of simple then.......ARE YOU DRIVING YOUR TRUCK? If so than it should be sleeper berth, no wait, um, on duty NOT driving, That's not it......how about driving? I think that's it......DRIVING! I know you are new, maybe my way and your dispatchers way it to advanced for you. Didn't someone teach how to log? OFF DUTY means you have no responsibility for the truck and trailer. If you are driving while on "off duty" then you have responsibility.
     
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