I have an 07 W900L with a C15 Cat Acert 475 hp that this week seems to be getting short on power. But the weird this is that it only seems short on power when empty. I pull a 50 ft triple axle Timpt grain trailer, legal to 90,000 lbs. Loaded it seems fine on power. But empty it just kind of acts like a whooped dog. We also have an 06 Freightliner Columbia with a 14L Series 60 Detroit 455 hp and empty it just seems like it will dry hump circles around my Kenworth. But loaded the Kenworth will out pull it with a 90,000 lb load on vs 80,000 on the Freightliner. Not sure what to think or where to start here.
Also, my Kenworth has quite the shimmy, shake, and wobble in the front end. Everything checks out straight, level, tight, you name it but can't get the wobble, shakes, and hop out of it. My mechanic swears it the front tires having gone bad and that's the only thing I haven't touched so far. But it does act like maybe there is something wrong with them like they're out of round or something. Funny thing is I drove it 4 hours home from the dealer when i bought it and it drove perfectly fine until i started to haul with it. They look perfectly fine though. However I've never seen steer tires like these ever in my life, like they shouldn't be steer tires. But they don't look like drive tires or trailer tires either. I'm starting to think they shouldn't have been put on as steer tires at all but the dealer needed to throw something on and that was what they had...any ideas on any of this?
07 W900L problems
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by KDubFarmer, Nov 6, 2014.
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toss a few numbers on the steer tires, also a scale ticket showing where the weight is when loaded might shed some light on the shimmy and shake
the power... got me, but i'd start by getting a shop to spit out an ecm read for you, typically not a bad thing to have on hand anyway -
I just had a print off on the ECM and parameters about a month ago. Everything seemed to check out. But I do have the check engine light coming on once in a while. Usually in the mornings right away but it seems the alternator is charging just a bit high. Other than that everything looks fine.
As for the wobble in the front end, I'm assuming weight is not a factor because it does it empty just the same as it does loaded. -
If you are indeed grossing 90,000 lbs. then you are putting about 13,500 to 14,000 lbs. on the steers at least. And assuming you are correct and the dealer just threw a set of cheap Chinese trailer tires(maybe even recaps) on there to make the sale, then bad tires are going to be your shimmy problem. When you drove it home it didn't shimmy because you haven't overloaded the tires yet.(actually you have my T-600's steer axle with a 475 Acert weigh's 11,200 lbs. bob tail) Now that you have got it loaded to 90,000 lbs. you have approximately 7000 lbs. on each steer tire that is rated at 4250 lbs. (trailer only tire rating). You might want to look into replacing them before you hurt or kill yourself(or someone else). When you replace them make sure they are rated at least for the maximum weight you will be putting on them. Cheapest is not always the best buy, and myself I am a big fan of over kill, I don't know anyone sorry they put 7000 lb. tires on a steer axle that never exceeded 12,000 lbs. I'm just sayin'....
Last edited: Nov 7, 2014
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how do you figure "then you are putting about 13,500 to 14,000 lbs. on the steers at least." just because your gross weight is higher does not mean your steers are automatically higher, 5th wheels are adjustable as well as how the weight is distributed in the trailer. (assuming tridem trailer as well in this setup)
it is possible that you have a bad tire causing the vibration you describe. you could try swapping your tires side to side and see if the vibration changes. also jack the tires off the ground and give them a spin and look for a bent rim or out of round tire. and check wheel bearing and kingpins for play
you probably already know this but mud in the rims if your pulling out of a feild can cause a pretty bad vibration as well.
as far as the power issue makes no sense that it would run great loaded and like a dog empty, i would start with the basics anyway pressure test the air to air check boots for leaks etc.granhawler Thanks this. -
He said he's pulling a triple axle trailer, so I would assume that the extra weight over 80,000 that he is pulling is on the trailer, not the steers.
It's possible that you either threw a weight, or one of the tires has a belt coming apart. Have the tires spin balanced and see where you're at there.
I have never heard of a truck that can tell when it is loaded and empty, seems awfully weird that it is low on power when empty but fine when it is loaded. Personally I think it is in your head. A Detroit will speed up faster than a Cat will when both are driven properly, Cat's are slower to drop in rpm when changing gears than a Detroit is, I think since this KW is new to you that is what you are feeling. -
Loaded I'm running between 12,000 and 13,000 lbs on the steers. Like I've said right now weight seems to be no issue as to what it's doing. Empty or loaded it shimmies and wobbles. And I hear you on not being cheap when it comes to tires but it's hard to want to buy a set when I've already put $7,000 into this "road ready" truck. Just getting frustrating. But I just wanted to hear some other thoughts as to what it might be and well this just pretty much confirms what my mechanic was saying. Even tried swapping them side to side and it still does the same thing, but instead of pulling hard right now it pulls left. I know the kingpins aren't an issue because I just put brand new ones in less than month after I bought the truck. So yeah probably tires. I'll be putting some on next week.
As far as the power issue goes, yeah it's probably in my head. I know the Cat and Detroit engines are completely different animals. And I also drive them differently. But I had been back in the Freightliner for a week or so and I think I had just gotten so used to it again that things just seemed off when I got back in my truck. -
"How I figured it" was the fact that if you increase the total weight of the vehicle by 50,000 lbs. or more some of it will be on the steers, no way around it, unless you stack all the product up on the very back of the trailer. I'm no grain expert but I'm guessing that's kinda hard to do. My WAG of 13,500lbs. ain't very far from his actual weight of 12,000 to 13,000. But as usual my point was totally over looked to point out that my estimated axle weight on a truck and trailer that I haven't seen was off by 500lbs. IF and only IF the tires in question are "trailer only" tires it will say so on the sidewall, which brings us right back to my original point, a "trailer only" tire is usually rated at about 4250lbs. and if he is putting 12,000 to 13,000lbs. on a pair of tires that are collectively rated at 8500lbs. then he is over loading each tire between 1750 and 1850lbs. KDub I understand you not wanting to throw more money at it without knowing for sure, but if you flipped them side to side and the pull is now to the other side, then that just confirms my original thought of a bad tire.(or 2). Is it possible there is something else wrong too? Yes, but in my opinion you have at least 1 bad tire. Once that is corrected you can look for other stuff, there will always be other stuff.
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this will be my last post as far as gross vrs steer weight on this subject to avoid argument.
although i agree on the bad tire.
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