I have alot more to learn, I got about 3 more months before i go and obtain my CDL, buy a truck, trailer get dot, mc, insurance, duel tax, llc ect. I am confused though, I see alot of people saying that i shouldent do it this way, I should go sign up for one of these driving schools, and not have my dad whos been a truck driver for the last 20 years teach me. Also getting signed on to one of these big companies ect, when I have enough money to buy all the truck, insurance, 90 days operating costs, llc, fees ect, and effectively be a O/O. Is this because they all want me to go through ####? From everything I have read, and viewed the truck driving schools are terrible, in some cases out right fraud, making you pay money and just teaching you nothing. All this information from what i see is absolutely free, all over the internet, from how to drive a truck, all the laws about the road, even people recorded the lessons them selves, and share them.
I dont see how any one could recommend to some one, yeah go be the ##### at the trucking company. It looks like the new guys get treated like garbage, crap loads, no pay, forced to work to hard ect ect ect. I mean I am not looking to make alot the first years, or maybe not even for the whole thing. But i dont see how not being a O/O from the start if you have the money, is not recommend. From all the load boards I see out there, I am sure some one will give a new O/O a load. Not to mention some of the smaller businesses ect, so i dont see any lack of work. Maybe I only get 10 cents a mile profit, or even no profit to undercut the person to get the experience, but what ever. Looking for seat time in that aspect.
So to recap, my question is why would some one recommend, not being a O/O if you have the money to buy a truck and trailer, I dont mean lease or rent, or get a loan, I mean buy.
Thanks for any information.
Driving School.
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Makasouleater, Dec 16, 2014.
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G.Anthony said: ↑Makasouleater said: ↑Well for one thing.....INSURANCE. many insurance companies want proof that you have had a proper education form a certified school. sure as a newbie o/o, your rates may be (or Will BE) high till you get your experience, but i kinda think you're gonna have a hard time getting insurance, and can you 'self insure"? I think not.
Not recommended, in many instances, so that you can learn the road, way of the road, and learn by your mistakes with company equipment, over your brand new, or new to you high dollar investments. And if you want to start "undercutting" other o/o's, I hope you have a fast truck, and can hide. Some day, someone will find you, and "teach you a lesson or two". Hell, someday you may come out of the truck stop, to find your truck trashed, air lines cut, etc,etc. Good luck
Again, to get your experience, learn the road, even if you THINK you know the road, and the ways of the road, you are fooling yourself, not us.
Hey, do as you wish, you'll learn the harder way, rather than the easier way.
Again, good luck.Click to expand...
I still think I am doing it the easy way, I have a felon from when i was 18, so none of those schools would even hire me. Even though I am 30 now, I still dont think they will. There are to many people that arent felons to compete with.
That is interesting though that you think some ones gonna hunt me down and destroy all my stuff. Lets use uship for example. There was a guy that needed 3 tractors ship, the only bid that was there expired and it was for 5000 dollars, the tractors weighed 25000 pounds, and the miles was 1600, so he was charging a insane rate of 3.125 dollars a mile. Now i come in and bid 3000 which is 1.95 cents per mile, you think that guys gonna come hunt me down ahaha, i think you lost your mind. That is like saying on ebay, people make a effort to hunt down and brake peoples stuff who out bid them. If i can bid 3000 because i want the load, and the person offering it accepts that, what the hell. No ones gonna come brake all my stuff, even in the case i dropped my price to cost at around like 1.25 dollars a mile, or even a loss.
If that really is the case, which i doubt, then this business is filled with the criminally insane, and any truck driver, such as your self willing to hurt some one over money, should be jailed, and is a worse person than me even though i have a felon. Goes to show, not all people with felons are evil, and not all non criminals are good people. For even suggesting such a outragous thing, suggests you have problems, and would go hurt some one who did a acceptable business practice.Click to expand... -
Is your dad a successful O/O? If so, then if you can plug into his system it may work. And if that is the case, then his advice would be golden. Don't taint it with internet forum conjecture.
But it doesn't really sound like he is an O/O from the info you have given. And your excuse to jump right into O/O is because of a felony... If your excuse was you are a seasoned entrepreneur with a keen business mind, then the idea of success would at least be plausible. But I don't think your idea of being willing to work at a loss for the experience is a sound business plan. That is the whole idea of working for someone else first. So you can actually MAKE money while learning the ins and outs.
But I'm sure people up against greater odds of failure have succeeded. If you are serious about coming here for advice, you should post your business plan and get some real guidance. -- You have a business plan right? -
Work as Company driver. (Its the detail that goes with being a successful Owner Operator, i.e. to not have this knowledge can erode your self esteem.)
Your words, you say u have a steak knife, well as a Company Driver you should be able to save 25K per year...that amount can build up quickly. -
Scott101 said: ↑Is your dad a successful O/O? If so, then if you can plug into his system it may work. And if that is the case, then his advice would be golden. Don't taint it with internet forum conjecture.
But it doesn't really sound like he is an O/O from the info you have given. And your excuse to jump right into O/O is because of a felony... If your excuse was you are a seasoned entrepreneur with a keen business mind, then the idea of success would at least be plausible. But I don't think your idea of being willing to work at a loss for the experience is a sound business plan. That is the whole idea of working for someone else first. So you can actually MAKE money while learning the ins and outs.
But I'm sure people up against greater odds of failure have succeeded. If you are serious about coming here for advice, you should post your business plan and get some real guidance. -- You have a business plan right?Click to expand...Chinatown Thanks this. -
There is a post about a month or so ago; the guy did exactly what you plan to do.
Big problem, no brokers will give him loads because he has no experience. Don't have a clue how he got insurance, if he even has any.
Study the OOIDA website for the business end of trucking and load boards.
Here's a simple question; when you go to the DMV for your CDL, can you do a proper pre-trip, exactly as they want it? How many items do you check, what is the proper nomenclature, what are you looking for with each item you check. YouTube has some videos on Pre-trip; check it out because the DMV is dead serious about this.
It's like they tell a new convict, "We can do this the easy way or the hard way; take your pick."
Do it the easy way and attend a CDL school. Times have changed since your father started driving and since I started driving. I'd probably make a fool of myself at the DMV these days.
Your felony is nothing; I don't know what you did, but a job, dozens, waiting for you as long as you have a CDL school certificate. You will go to work the day you graduate. Yes, CDL schools, private/community college/trucking company, accept felons. Some may require a pre-hire letter first, but that's no problem either. -
ineedajob said: ↑On an somewhat related note are there business plans out there for someone to look at and study? I realize not everyone's plan will work with someone else but it would be good to at least be introduced to the concept. I went to school for puters not that there money n stuffClick to expand...ineedajob Thanks this.
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To get a commercial driver's license, you must be able to pass a CDL pre-trip inspection covering over 100 inspection points.All inspection items & their conditions are included on the checklist. The complete study guide covers these 20 vehicle sections:
- Front of Tractor
- Engine Compartment
- Front Wheel
- Front Brakes
- Front Suspension
- Driver's Side
- Back of Tractor Cab
- Front of Trailer
- Drive Wheels
- Drive Brakes
- Drive Suspension
- Coupling System
- Rear of Tractor
- Side of Trailer
- Trailer Wheels
- Trailer Brakes
- Trailer Suspension
- Rear of Trailer
- Passenger Side of Vehicle
- In-Cab Inspection
Can you name every pre-trip inspection item?
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Chinatown said: ↑To get a commercial driver's license, you must be able to pass a CDL pre-trip inspection covering over 100 inspection points.All inspection items & their conditions are included on the checklist. The complete study guide covers these 20 vehicle sections:
- Front of Tractor
- Engine Compartment
- Front Wheel
- Front Brakes
- Front Suspension
- Driver's Side
- Back of Tractor Cab
- Front of Trailer
- Drive Wheels
- Drive Brakes
- Drive Suspension
- Coupling System
- Rear of Tractor
- Side of Trailer
- Trailer Wheels
- Trailer Brakes
- Trailer Suspension
- Rear of Trailer
- Passenger Side of Vehicle
- In-Cab Inspection
Can you name every pre-trip inspection item?
Click to expand...heyns57 Thanks this.
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