CALIFORNIA ASSEMBLY BILL 32 (NEW) Fuel Tax

why don't they just leave the union and join "European Union" they know they want it...

 

I live in Oregon, ODOT is doing some pilot studies for a mileage tax rather than a fuel tax, AFAIK you don't also pay the fuel tax or at least the state fuel tax, this is only in the R&D Phase at this point. FWIW, I believe a mileage tax is more fair than a fuel tax, and even more fair is a weight mile tax...

TS

 

Oregon is milage tax they not in IFTA. its 16cpm and you don't pay fuel tax at pump. But funny thing is disel price in Oregon without tax is more expensive than in Midwest with a tax and you dant have to pay cpm. so if you take feul tax on evarage 30cpg and devide it by 6 you pay 5cpm. Oregon is very expensive to operate that's why thay pay the guy at rest area 60k a year to give travelers free coffe.

 

Oregon may be an expensive place to operate, BUT if it is don't blame the free coffee, NOBODY is being paid $60,000 a year to serve free coffee.

On the point of fuell prices, consider the following. There are no crude oil producers in the PNW, all fuel in Idaho, Oregon and Washington originates in other places, the closest refineries are in NW Washington state and most, if NOT all refined products sold in Oregon are piped to the Portland Oregon area and then trucked around the state, I suppose some fuel in eastern Oregon may originate from the Boise area, point is there isn't a drop of fuel produced in Oregon. The higher prices in the PNW are primarily related to the supply issue and or the transportation costs to get the fuel to the point of sale.

TS

http://ortravelexperience.com/for-businesses/rest-areas/free-coffee-program/

 

I heard about 60k a year coffe guy on Lars Larson.

 

they fund the try met, bicycle lanes with road tax in Oregon. and lets not forget the Columbia river crossing they spent 4bilion on designing it and decided not to build it.

 

I am not for higher taxes, I am for fair taxes where everybody pays their share. I am also against big government especially boondoggles like the CRC bridge. The bridge itself is probably needed, by stopping design work in 2014 the can just gets kicked down the road. ODOT DID NOT spend 4 Billion (with a B). As of March 31, 2014 just before shutdown of the project, the total expenditure until then was 197 Million with the ODOT share being 103 Million. While not pocket change, the expenditure to date before moth balling the project was about 1/40 of the total cost.

Of course ODOT probably wastes public money, about 100% of government agencies do that, but let's use real facts, not some radio personality for our information.

I like listening to Lars occasionally too, BUT these radio talking mouthpieces of any side of an issue are way more entertainment value than facts, they are selling ads and padding their pockets by overhyping everything, real facts often aren't nearly as flashy.

Back onto the subject of paying for infrastructure, what do you think a fair way to generate that revenue is? Wise use of that revenue is another issue. I do believe the current fuel tax is outdated AND unfair, everyone who uses the roads should pay their fair share based on the costs it takes to build and maintain that infrastructure. I still say a weight mile tax does that fairly, a heavy truck who drives on any public roads should pay more per mile than a small car. Some people think that they shouldn't get taxed at all on their hybrid or electric car, hey they still need a road to drive on, of course they should be taxed, not as much as an 80,000 pound vehicle, but their fair share. If those vehicles aren't buying fuel or very little fuel then they are getting a free ride on the infrastructure, therefore the current fuel tax method needs to be changed. I don't know the best way to do that, too easy to cheat without some sort of black box reporting AND then you have privacy concerns, there are issues, yes, but the methodology of taxing by the mile and weight class has a lot of merit as far as fairness.

TS

 

Some clarification:

1) This law is not new (it was passed in 2006), but it does go into effect January 1.
2) This is not a "hidden tax" or a "fuel tax" -- it is a tax on carbon emissions as part of the cap & trade program. Refinery taxes will go up and those costs will be passed to you, but it isn't related to sales tax or ifta.
3) The 76 cent estimate was from a 2010 study. Current estimates are 9-10 cents/gal increasing to 13-20 cents by 2020.
4) The Western States Petroleum Association is the one responsible for releasing scare tactic ads & press releases in a last-ditch effort to undo this measure.

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/diaz/article/The-truth-about-that-hidden-gas-tax-5953730.php

 

When is it a scare tactic when a company is trying to not be taxed?

Common sense tells anyone that takes time to think that all costs are passed onto consumers.

The California government operates on the assumption that its citizens are too stupid to realize new taxes on companies are new taxes on the citizenry.

California is currently in the # 2 spot for taxes on fuel at 69 cents on gas and 79.5 on diesel. After Jan 1 they will be in 1st place.

http://www.gaspricewatch.com/web_gas_taxes.php

Sadly, the gullible and Gruberesque population are clapping over winning another battle in taxing big oil.

The working class, as usual, are footing the bill.