printing logs.

snowy it specifically talks about laptop logs,, etc NOT being eld compliant[h=3]Hours of Service for Commercial Motor Vehicle Drivers; Regulatory Guidance Concerning Records of Duty Status Generated by Logging Software Programs[/h] ... More in a previous part ... SUMMARY:FMCSA revises its regulatory guidance concerning records of duty status (RODS) generated by logging software programs on laptop computers, tablets, and smartphones. These logging software programs are used by certain drivers to help them prepare RODS, but the computers, tablets, and smartphones with such software do not meet FMCSA's requirements for automatic on-board recording devices (AOBRDs). The revision of the guidance clarifies the relationship between the Agency's policy concerning the use of logging software programs and the Agency's January 4, 2011, regulatory guidance concerning electronic signatures by removing the requirement that drivers print and sign paper copies of RODS generated through such logging software, provided the driver is able to sign the RODS electronically at the end of each work day and display the electronic record at the roadside. This guidance provides the motor carrier industry, and Federal, State, and local motor carrier enforcement officials with uniform information regarding computer software and devices used by drivers to assist them with hours-of-service (HOS) recordkeeping. All prior Agency interpretations and regulatory guidance, including memoranda and letters, are rescinded to the extent they are inconsistent with this guidance.DATES: This regulatory guidance is effective July 10, 2014.

 

can you post a link to that. well if that's the case then why are guys with no electronic engines having problems??

I do think you are a bit mistaken about what constitutes an ELD, eld and eobr have to have input from the ecm to be compliant.

programs like big rig log, eclipse etc even gps capability don't meet eld requirements. it can be as simple as a box hooked to the dataport and connects by Bluetooth to a smartphone, it doesn't have to be qualccomm type deal, but does need ecm input in some way

 

they changed the rules in july , plain and simple. and since you think an ecm doesn't have to be in the mix to be eld or eobr compliant, I wouldn't trust a thing you say.

 

Well, the folks who's primary job is to keep fleets and such in compliance with the regulations, J.J. Keller, has various units that meet all the regulatory rules on electronic logging, ELD, EOBR, what the term du jour is today, for all platforms from ECM controlled engines to non-ECM engines. So I would guess that all this speculation on who's interpretation is right really is just mental gymnastics. There are already compliant systems available and in use. And since some of those do not have engine ECM's there is no input that can come from that source since it is non-existent. Yet, it remains, there are already regulatory compliant systems for those trucks. I know it is wishful thinking by some that the pre-ECM engines will somehow get a pass or be exempt, but from what I have seen available, that is a dream. And you can bet, that any new mandate for ELD's, EOBR's, whatever will take this into account. No one will get out alive. No escape. No surrender.

 

I have been using an app on my phone for the last several months called "Big Road." I do not have the ability to print in my truck, however, I do email the office and myself a copy daily to print. I haven't been stopped as of this writing but now im thinking I better get some clarification from the dot man if this form of logging is acceptable. I started this because im local but don't fall under the 100 air mile deal so by the end of the day my paper logs look horrendous with all the short runs I do. the app is so much cleaner and presentable imo.... as long as its legal!?

 

frank, its a legal log, but I would have the ability to print if requested, what was actually changed was having to print each day and sign, if you could electronically sign.

 

cowpie, which jj keller unit is able to be used on a non ecm engine? the ones listed all have to hook into a data port to get engine info. mercer is using the jj keller units and guys right now with non ecm engines cant get e logs, can you give the exact unit or explain how it works with no ecm as engine data is required.


heres how it reads

In order for an eLog solution to be compliant to DOT’s FMCSA regulation part 395.15, the software (and accompanying hardware) needs to be able to perform the following functions:

1. Allow law enforcement to view your HOS logs during inspection
2. Disallow updating statuses while the vehicle is in motion
3. Be tamperproof and alert driver of device failures
4. Connect to the truck’s engine for mileage data

Most of those are easy to tackle with software development. (We’ve taken extra steps to make #1, #2 and #3 easier on the driver, but more on that later.)
For an application to be compliant, mileage data has to be drawn from the engine’s computer via an EDR (engine data reader). The reason for this is because calculation of miles travelled via GPS location pings can be inaccurate due to the nature of satellites and GPS technology.


that would preety much require an ecm data port

 

whats hard to understand about this,,,,,,,"""""" These logging software programs are used by certain drivers to help them prepare RODS, but the computers, tablets, and smartphones with such software do not meet FMCSA's requirements for automatic on-board recording devices (AOBRDs). The revision of the guidance clarifies the relationship"""""


no the rules haven't been set yet, but the current rules for eobr have ecm input from the engine

 

I seem to recall reading somewhere some mention of a tamper resistant speed sensor for mechanical diesels. The article mentioned tachographs from back in the day. Looking at the linked wiki on the topic, it's not a technology that's been abandoned.