ntc350 bc cummins no power in high gears?

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  1. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    thanks hay carter fuel pump is on, feed lines are new,filter base is new,filter new. the only thing I haven't changed which I noticed today is the return line which is leaking pretty bad......

    I doubt this is my problem, but the question I wanted to ask is there HIGH pressure or any PRESSURE on return side of the fuel system on this truck? I wanted to convert the factory return line from that crappy nylon braided hose to a ptfe plastic hose similar to plastic air lines like the newer truck fuel systems are plumbed. just wanted to know about pressure on return side if any.




    GUTLESS is ok I understand its not as potent as the 425 cat but this isn't my first NTC either that's why I say theres a problem here and its not the HP jump down I did. my first truck was a 85' ford l9000 day cab had a 300hp cummins 9spd and 4.10 rears truck on a 10x20 tube tires real shirt wheel base would pull 80k-90k reefer containers out of the port a lot harder then this 350 pulling rail boxes. the ford never had this issue and had a smaller ntc 300 motor and still pulled like the #### never limited or governed me I was the one who had to control it by keeping my foot out of it, but this is just absurd that this truck pulls in low range and nothing uptop. only problem was truck was so short the load would pull me around at 60-65mph but the truck still pulled......

    truck doesn't miss or smoke at idle runs like a sewing machine, so I doubt its the overhead or a dead cylinder which would have an audible miss or something to note at idle.

    I need to figure this out or im just going to sell truck its just crazy to think there isn't much on this topic.
     
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  3. SmokinCAT

    SmokinCAT Road Train Member

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    You never said wether you were able to locate the boost line that supplies the AFC or not.

    Are you sure the line that is wet is the return or does it go somewhere else, the oil advance on the injectors is controlled by fuel pressure.
     
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  4. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    hey smokinCat well when I pulled off the lines im taking it the one the supplies the AFC is the one coming from the aftercooler fitting to the the closest fitting that gets screwed on nearest the block.

    the line that is wet was coming from the return that's for sure it was the -8 line that came off a T on the side of the block going to the return fitting on top of fuel tank. I just had it changed today had one made at NAPA was the most expensive hose ive ever paid for, AT LEAST I have no more fuel leaks.....
     
  5. haycarter

    haycarter Road Train Member

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    I was just about to suggest checking either that or the STC valve..
     
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  6. Longhood379

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    If you changed the PT pump and the engine still won't pull, maybe there is a restriction in the pressure line from the pump to the head. A PT engine will still rev up to high idle without enough flow or pressure to make power so a snap test means little other than your high speed governor works. Trying to troubleshoot a PT system without a pressure guage is like trying to monitor engine temp without a temp guage. IF you have low rail pressure, no power, if you have high pressure and low power, you could have a restriction post pump, a really bad injector travel issue, the wrong injectors.
     
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  7. flc120

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    i had another person ask if i had checked aftercooler to see if it wasnt clogged up, they said if the air charge is to hot or not enough that the engine would not make peak boost or just a real hot charge, almost like driving without a cooler whatsoever. he told me if the charge is to hot it wont build sufficient boost? is this true?
    i have to change water pump cause its weeping water from the pump, was going to check the screen on cooler water inlet lines to see if screens is gummed up or blocked.

    my next question is could i just get a intake manifold off a newer n14 and convert my truck to a2a and add the extra pipes? they told me for the cost of rebuilding aftercooler i could just go a2a, will i notice any difference and will i gain any more HP
     
  8. skateboardman

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    with the screw turned in its on manual, the fuel wont be cut off by the solenoid, you would have to choke it down unless you turn the screw back out.

    this may well be where your restriction is at. seems you have changed or cleaned everything but this solenoid. it sounds to me as if when you get to high gears you don't have enough fuel to feed the engine, sort of like when the fuel filters get restricted. heck, you have done everything else, why not change it out,
     
  9. flc120

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    im changing it out today regardless, so the set screw on back of solenoid must be turned out or in? to not restrict?

    also i found the screen that goes before the aftercooler, ive read from various forums were people just delete this screen as the water filter on engine acts as same screen, any input?
     
  10. SmokinCAT

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    That screw is a manual over ride for the solenoid and nothing else, screwed in is run out is shut down.

    You don't seem to care about the STC even though it is directly related to the injectors and fuel timing.
     
  11. barroll

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    Just got done reading the whole thread. It was sounding like a pump issue until the pump was replaced, but I did remember that the symptoms of a bad fuel pump are the same as the symptoms of bad injectors on a PT system. Which of these two videos does your truck behave more like under no load?

    http://youtu.be/sZBlDV7XAwk

    http://youtu.be/qsVdxTdn5UM

    I also saw no mention of the overhead being run on this engine. It's a good deal more time consuming than on a modern engine, but everything depends on timing and clearance on a PT engine, so after hoses and filters, overhead would be my next step.
     
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