Studying for CDL Permit: Have a question!

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  1. texasbbqbest

    texasbbqbest Road Train Member

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    Hey guys!

    I'm studying for my CDL Permit and I'm on the Combination Vehicle section.

    It mentions that "bobtail" tractors can take longer to stop than tractor-trailers loaded to its max gross weight, but it doesn't say why that is.


    Can anyone give me any insight as to why that would be?

    I would think that a fully loaded tractor-trailer would take more time because it has more mass, but I'm not correct according to the Texas CDL manual.

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  3. dutchieinquebec

    dutchieinquebec Road Train Member

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    10 wheels versus 18 wheels maybe ???
     
  4. MJ1657

    MJ1657 Road Train Member

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    Trucks are designed to have a trailer and some weight on them. Without that the rear wheels can tend to skid while braking.

    The tractor in my signature pic is no fun to bobtail if the roads are wet or slippery.
     
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  5. damutt

    damutt Road Train Member

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    because the brakes are setup for pulling 80k lbs. easier to loose control/traction bobtail
     
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  6. texasbbqbest

    texasbbqbest Road Train Member

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    Ah okay. So the lack of weight/mass make traction not so great, therefore, the tractor is more likely to skid.

    I understand now.
     
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  7. p47

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    look at the tires of a fully loaded truck and an empty one. the tires on a loaded truck are "flatter". ie: more surface area. also the front brakes are set up with a proportioning valve, meaning when you apply 20#'s of pressure, the front breaks only get 10#'s. this prevents the front tires front skidding .
     
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  8. texasbbqbest

    texasbbqbest Road Train Member

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    Thank you! I'm sure most of this stuff I'm reading will make more sense when I actually get to my hands-on training.
     
  9. Arielit0oo

    Arielit0oo Light Load Member

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    Yeah, once you bobtail, you'll see why.
     
  10. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    I scaled my bobtail with about 11,500 lbs on the steer axles (5,750 lbs per tire) and 8,500 lbs for the drives (1062.5 lbs per tire). Same surface area per tire but only 18% the weight. When you brake weight is thrown forward onto the steers and the drives don't have much weight to grab the road.

    The only time I've ever smoked the tires braking was bobtail when a traffic light changed to red and I had a cloud of smoke waft through the intersection as I barely stopped by the middle of the cross walk. That was on dry pavement.

    Other than the limitations of braking you have to pay attention to the fact that rolling a bobtail is almost easier than when you have a trailer. You can't corner. It may feel like a sportscar when you accelerate, but cornering and stopping are an entirely different matter.
     
  11. TNMT

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    Reason why most companies forbid bob tail. Only with their permission.
     
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