Simple if you fall asleep at the wheel. They look at your logs and for the past 7 days its all off duty. Expect the question and liability of saying you never logged sleeper berth time. You ### is most likely going to prison by people on the jury not buying the fact you never use the sleeper berth. See Tracy Morgan and WalMart crash.
Can a company mandate using sleeper status during 10 Hour Break
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by strongbacks, Jan 24, 2015.
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i went thru the same thing a few months back. i argued a bit, but just said screw it and started logging 8 hrs regardless. I just log 8 hrs, in on-the-hour increments so they're easy to add up. So now it's kind of a joke among us drivers .. We write up trailers, they don't get fixed, we just say hey, as long as we log that 8 hrs SB , that's all that matters.
Funny thing is, I had a level III when I was logging 10 off duty and no SB, and DOT (KY) never said a word about it, complemented my neatness and sent me on my way. Got a level III after I started logging SB, and DOT (OH) asked if I was really in my SB where SB was logged. Go figure. -
The company can require anything of you, unless it is explicitly not allowed by the regulations. If they require you to do something that is against the rules or illegal, then you can say no. Logging sleeper when you are in the sleeper berth is not illegal, therefore they can require it as a condition of employment.
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That definition explains when you are On-Duty. It does not say you have to be in the sleeper or on sleeper status. You can be out of the truck, restin (in the drivers seat) or a parked vehicle.
I love where the guy earlier states something like "it says sleeper berth, so you have to use it when you are in the sleeper". "Sleeper berth" is a duty status. "A sleeper berth" is a bed in a truck. "Submarine" is an underwater vehicle. "Submarine" is a sandwich. Our navy doesn't operate sandwiches. Words have different meanings in context. -
And keep this in mind: Your company's rules can be more restrictive than federal regulations. While you might be right in interpreting the regs your way, go against what your company requires enough and you will be right ... and unemployed. Getting a 'refused to follow company policies' on your HireRight will not help you advance your career.
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In dealing with regulations and industry specific issues, I would not opt for a jury. It's hard enough to get truckers to understand laws and statutes, forget trying to educate a jury of lay people.
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I do want to make this separate post specifically thanking y'all for taking the time to respond.
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Are you sleeping in the front seat? Are you exiting the truck to find alternate sleeping accommodations? If not, you are in the sleeper berth and need to log your time accordingly.
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The original INTENT of line 2 on your log book (sleeper berth) written in the late 30's from the last century, I'm sure was for team driving. Driver not driving could get his rest (ha, ha) while other driver was driving. Then he would be fully rested (sure he would) before it was his turn to resume driving. Visualize "resting" in a 30's model snub nose truck with spring ride suspension, a 2 cycle Detroit diesel engine, nice smooth highways (not!).
When you're off duty, you are allowed to do anything you want with your free time. You do not have to sleep, although it's strongly advised. If you do sleep, it does not have to be in your sleeper. It can be in the TV room at the truck stop, or at your girlfriends house, or a motel etc. Now if you want to log 5 hrs in the sleeper, then log off duty when you get up to use the restroom, then log 30 min sleeper while you're sitting on the bunk primping yourself and changing your underwear, then back to off duty to go for coffee, then go ahead and do so. I'd be more concerned about explaining why I always log 15 min to load and unload to a DOT cop.Vito and DoneYourWay Thank this. -
I guarantee the judge will have a better understanding of the regulations than you. In all honesty, you'd probably have a better chance convincing uneducated jurors to buy into your interpretation...but even that is a long shot.
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