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  1. mandiesel

    mandiesel Light Load Member

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    NEW YORK (Reuters) - A U.S. regulatory probe into potential oil-market trading abuses is focusing on possible short-term manipulation of benchmark crude prices and the use of information related to important oil storage tanks to influence prices, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

    The report comes a day after the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, under pressure from U.S. lawmakers to crack down on speculators they blame for pushing energy prices to record highs, said it would step up market surveillance.
    The CFTC announced a nationwide investigation into energy trading last December, but is in fact pursuing several oil investigations, many of which relate to one another, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing people familiar with enforcement priorities of the agency.
    It has expanded its probe into alleged short-term manipulation of crude-oil prices via a widely used price-reporting system run by Platts, a unit of McGraw-Hill Cos (MHP.N), the newspaper reported.
    The probes appear to focus on gambits well known by traders in the opaque physical oil market, where trading a small volume of cash crude or gasoline during a short period when benchmark prices are set can yield big profits on derivatives positions.
    Oil traders say that these kind of leveraged trading plays -- which are generally not illegal -- were more common prior to the Enron melt-down and the California power trading scandal that triggered increased scrutiny of world energy markets earlier this decade, but rarely had a lasting effect on prices.
    However traders and analysts believe that increased investment from pension and other funds into commodities markets is partly responsible for causing prices to quadruple since 2004, with U.S. crude hitting a record high of $135.09 a barrel last week after rising by more than 40 percent this year alone.
    The Journal quoted CFTC enforcement chief Gregory Mocek as saying the agency has about 60 manipulation investigations open in various commodity markets.
    On Thursday the CFTC said it would expand its oversight of energy trading by tracking index funds, and had reached an agreement with the U.K.'s Financial Services Authority and ICE Futures Europe to share information.
    WINDOW TRADE, STORAGE TANKS
    One suspicion, the newspaper said, is that energy companies and traders have at times issued a flood of orders during the trading "window" used by Platts to determine its reported prices for physical oil transactions, then used the potentially distorted prices to make profits in other markets.
    According to the Journal, Platts has said its system has safeguards to protect against manipulation. Subpoenas on the matter have gone out in several stages, the report cited people familiar with the cases as saying.
    A Platts spokesman was not immediately available to comment.
    The Journal cited people familiar with the matter as saying the agency has also been questioning traders about similar activity in the jet-fuel market.
    Another area of concern for CFTC regulators is whether the owners of crude-oil storage tanks use their knowledge to make bets on oil-futures markets.
    In theory, the owner of a tank could issue misleading information about the tanks being full or empty, leaving the wrong impression about whether oil is in plentiful supply. Then they could make trades to profit on the misunderstanding.
    Regulators have long been wary of allowing any one company to gain too much control over storage tanks in Cushing, Oklahoma, the delivery point for the New York Mercantile Exchange's light, sweet crude oil contract, the world's main benchmark.

    Government regulators forced BP (BP.L) to sell the Cushing storage assets of ARCO before allowing it to buy the U.S. company in 2001. BP is no longer the biggest tank holder at Cushing. (Reporting by Steve James; Editing by Jonathan Leff and Michael Urquhart)
     
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  3. IROCUBabe

    IROCUBabe Road Train Member

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    Can someone explain this to me in a 'for dummies' version
     
  4. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    For the most part, the manipulation should be pointed at the speculators. But....when this started out, traders had to put their money some place. US equities were not it, the US dollar was not it either. That's why Warren Buffet shorted the dollar late last year and started to invest more into China and India and then finally Big Oil. Prices rise because of the short supply and demand, usually. This situation has gone beyond the typical supply/demand curve. Oil trades are the "junk bonds" of the 00's as I see it. Oil is artificially high at this point and the laws of the market place are akin to the laws of nature, what goes up, must come down.
    Also, besides "blaming" the traders, we have our state governments to "thank" as well. People are driving less and/or trading in the Suburban for the Civic. The states realize the loss of revenue and hike up the percentage of taxes on fuel, especially diesel. Look for more "revenue enhancing" tactics from the Feds, and the state and local governments shortly. Road taxes will surely increase and I won't be surprised if there will be a special APU tax put into place because truckers will be burning less fuel therefore, less revenue for the governments to spend on their projects such as finding out why mice of different colors like different music and foods or why truckers get pissed when states lower speed limits and raise taxes on the trucking industry as a whole.
     
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  5. im6under

    im6under Heavy Load Member

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    oil sells for $60 a barrel and is probably worth it.

    a guy, not generally in the market, doesn't stop bidding at $60 (fair market value based on supply and demand economics) but instead says I'll give you $100.00 per barrel.

    He buys all the oil until in effect there is a shortage because he won't sell for less than he paid.

    viola, oil is suddenly $100.00 a barrel. And he will get it or even more as more people try to jump on the band wagon...

    not unlike your house may be worth $200k ??? but some idiot has fallen in love with a house two doors down that isn't for sale... He keeps offering more and more money until the owner finally sells for $400,000 or double market value.

    Now somebody wants to buy your house for 200k what do you say???

    The house over there sold for 400k there's no way I'm letting you have mine for ONLY 200k. or instant and unrealistic inflation.

    OIL: SOMEBODIES GETTING RICH STEPPING ON MY BACK !!!
     
  6. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    It's typical misguided informatiom that has no merit. BP had to sell alot of their stock to get their deal to go through when they bought out ARCO. Besides, if a tank farm was reporting false numbers there would be a few agencies interested to know the real numbers like the state tax, federal tax, and all the companies that the product was slated for. And to top it off all you have to do is fly over the tanks to see what's in their tanks. They have floating roofs and they can't hide that.
     
  7. mandiesel

    mandiesel Light Load Member

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    The American "Petro Dollar" is on a death spiral.
     
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