393.60(e) Violation - What..

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by JJKid, Jun 23, 2015.

  1. RustyBolt

    RustyBolt Road Train Member

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    No where in there does it mention a vehicle registration. The registration is not a device, sticker or decal. So, the answer of it being illegal to place it on a windshield like EVERYBODY does, is still unclear.
     
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  3. TLeaHeart

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    tell that to a judge, and he will just laugh at you, and tell you to pay the fine. Anything within the sweep of the wiper blades is a violation. No where is a vehicle registration required to be on the windshield.
     
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  4. blairandgretchen

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    That's my 'Learn something every day' for the day.
     
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  5. Scalemaster

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    The inspector is exactly right. You cannot tape stuff in the windshield.

    You are no more prone to getting stopped now at all. You will be stopped and asked about why you do not have a plate on the truck. Having a temp taped in the windshield in no way keeps you from getting stopped. As long as you have it in the truck with you, you are fine.

    It depends on what you mean by "passing" an inspection. Were you put out of service? That would be failing an inspection. If you were allowed to proceed, albeit with minor violations, you passed.
     
  6. JJKid

    JJKid Medium Load Member

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    Thank you sir for answering these. Well.. I guess just about every truck with no plate and have their permit taped up is in violation. It is crazy though. Is this upto officer/inspector discretion? I've known guys to got pulled into a scale or stopped roadside with temporary permits and never received a violation or hassel for it. Meh. I dont know what to make of it.

    And as far as passing the inspection, this goes beyond the violation. It's about the CSA portion of the inspection. I know you made it clear that when you assign violations, it's beyond your control and CSA takes care of the rest. To me, an inspection with no violations is a pass.. otherwise I fail, even if it's labeled as a pass.
     
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  7. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    Sounds like it's time to start utilizing alternate legal truck routes that do not have any scales along the way...at least then if they get you, they had to work for it.
     
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  8. Scalemaster

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    Back when I was in school, many years ago - in another age... If you got less than 60% on a test you did not pass - you failed - you got an F. If you did not get an F - you passed. If you did not miss anything you got 100% - you aced it.

    Now, there is a lot of territory between FAILING and ACEING a test.

    There is a lot of room between failing a DOT inspection (being placed out of service) and aceing one (no defects found CVSA decals).

    OK, you got a minor violation for obstructed windshield - it cannot be too many CSA points. You did not get a gold star or CVSA decal. But, just like in school, it is not the end of the world. Just like in school, if you did not ace a particular test it does not totally destroy your GPA.
     
  9. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    ...but UNLIKE in school, where a 98% is always an A, and getting a 98% on every test will put you at (or pretty darn close to) the very TOP of the class, the points one receives for the nit-picky violations add up over time, and if a person/company runs lanes where they are prone to being inspected by officers who like to nit-pick, they could very quickly find themselves at or near the BOTTOM of their "peer group" if the other carriers the FMCSA has grouped them with runs lanes which don't include many scales and are rarely ever inspected. With enough of these BS "minor" violations on otherwise "passing" inspections, it could place an otherwise great carrier into an intervention scenario if they've had a series of 98% passing inspections while their fellow peers have not once been looked at. THAT is why many don't share your same view that "any inspection that doesn't place you OOS is a passing inspection". That may have been the case 6-8 years ago, but with this CSA BS, it is no longer true. Anything short of acing the inspection these days is a fail.
     
  10. Anonymousproxy

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    Wisconsin has been bad lately. I'd just keep in in the permit book or a folder, and if stopped show this officer the temp and that inspection report. As for GPS, I moved mine right up top of the driver's side windshield next to the center post outside of the wiper sweep.
     
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  11. Scalemaster

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    This shows my naivete of the whole CSA debacle, but surely getting a series of 98% inspections can not put a carrier into intervention, can it?

    I look at carrier safety ratings all day long, on every inspection I do. I pull up past inspections and look them over too. I have never seen a carrier have intervention level ratings due to a series of minor violations. There are always some serious things going on to get them to that point.
     
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