This post may be better off in another category but I'll let the mod's make that determination.
My questions are:
What is the most accurate mileage program out there?
By that I mean which one(s) come closest to HUB miles?
How much can each of you prove to be unpaid miles?
How far back can you prove the differences between paid & actual?
When first hired, what did your company tell you about their method of figuring miles/pay? As in HHMG, practical miles, HUB etc?
Did they just tell you the amount per mile without disclosing the method?
Did they put the method in writing & show it to you?
Unpaid miles
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by BobC, Jun 22, 2008.
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MOst trucking companies don't disclose HOW they pay at orientation, they just state the pay per mile. It's almost like pulling teeth out of a grizzly bear trying to get some to tell you if it's HHG. Companies that pay by practical and hub seem to gladly tell you, as they know it's a better deal. The best of course, is hub miles, as it's REAL world miles, not fantasy, as the crow flies miles.
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I've never seen as yet, a company put HHG in writing. You only have to drive one trip to see the difference between hub and HHG.
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Actually, I stumbled across SWIFT's site the other day & it proudly proclaimed they paid by HHMG rates.
Like they were doing someone a favor.
I didn't bother searching for anyone elses claims to fame.Another Canadian driver Thanks this. -
Bob, You gotta be kidding! Well at least their honest about their stealing miles! I reckon they're trying to avoid legal problems down the road. Smart, but still, makes me wonder.
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What you should do it keep track of all the miles you get paid and the miles you don't get paid for and at the end of the yr add them up you will be suprised on how many mile you drive for free..
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Naw, then he'd have a heart attack when the stolen miles add up. Shoot, it would be enough of a shock to make a guy drop his beer!
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I got into a fight with the log department once..They paid by HHMG I logged HHMG... I just asked my dispatcher the mileage and he told me and that is what I logged....
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I'm acutely aware of how companies burn a driver on miles due to their "figuring".
I wouldn't be surprised if a company billed at one rate & paid on another.
The reason I brought up the topic in the first place is that I have a couple local employment law attorneys interested in pursuing the "lost" miles/wages thing.
I wanted to see if there were any others out here that were interested enough to provide me some evidence & answers to a few questions.
All this info is necessary to allow the attorneys a chance to see if this is a good suit or maybe even a class action.
Since I'm not actively trucking right now,I don't have recent enough evidence to provide.
All I can do is write the attorneys a dissertation on the various methods & pitfalls of each pay method...which I will do anyway.
I will probably also need to arrange your evidences into a spreadsheet type of presentation to make it easier for the attorneys to grasp.
Names are not necessary until later if the attorneys have questions about your particular situation.
Email addresses will do for the moment.
The only thing they must have is proveable accountings regarding what you drove (even if out-of-route) & what you got paid for.
Plus, you'd need to be honest about how or if your company made you aware of their pay methods.
This means keeping track of the hub if you have one or at least your odometer (if it's reasonably accurate) or even your gps trackings.
In short, the attorneys need to know if your company provided you by written statement (as in company handbook) the pay determining method they use (as in HHMG, practical miles, pcmiler etc) or let you believe that you'd be paid for "all " your miles. Or, if they never told you despite your asking is also important.
If they published which method they use & you agreed to it, there's not much of a chance.
If they didn't, then there's a good chance to hit them for at least a breach of contract.
I would also suspect that if they told you one thing & went with another (the ol bait & switch), you probably got them there too.
So, now you know why I asked.
It isn't for me, I don't get anything from this monetarily.
I'm just willing to put my time where my mouth is to see if it's a possibility.
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I know HHMG is good about making aprox 10%-12% or more of your miles go away.
This is worsened by having to run out-of-route on top of that.
I figure a solo driver can get upwards of 150,000 mi p/yr.
Even figuring just 10% = 15,000 mi p/yr.
15,000 x 0.35 = $5,250 lost for the yr.
Your mileage may vary as well as your pay per mile.
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I think it's an exercise in futility. When you are told your mileage amount and how it is paid ( HHG, PC miler etc) and you go work under that knowledge you are agreeing to the terms. I don't agree with it at all. It's the same difference to me as if an hourly paid worker goes in at 7 in the morning but can't clock in till 9. The trucking and airline industry has some ##### regulations approved by the federal government that puts emplyees at a distinct disadvantage. (Mostly pertains to overtime and how it's applied).It's outdated at best and needs serious review. One thing I would bet my life on is that our lawmakers wouldn't work under terms like that. I worked for a textile company that manufactured yarn untill they moved to China in 06.We carried our own product and was just an absolute dream job. I always thought I would retire there. They paid actual speedometer miles and I sure do miss it. These dinks I work for now pay HHMG miles and it bites. On a recent trip (in which I went the absolute most direct route) I was paid 770 miles, the actual mileaga was 869. The run after that paid 440 miles..the actual was 506 miles. I was told how much the pay was and how it was determined before going to work there so there's no way one could have any legal recourse. Good luck anyway.
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