Split Logging

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Dr. Venture, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. Dr. Venture

    Dr. Venture Medium Load Member

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    I am a little confused about split logging. I ran out of my 14 at a shipper the other day waiting to be loaded. I was not able to spend the night there and had to drive for 45 minutes to get to the nearest legal parking area. Now I spent almost 5 hours in the berth at the customer, so was I still legal to drive under split logging? I surfed around here looking for a post about this, and maybe I overlooked this, but I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks.
     
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  3. Cerberus

    Cerberus Medium Load Member

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    according to dot you can stretch the 14 to find a safe place to park just make sure you log it and mark it down in the comment section on your log.
     
  4. truckermario

    truckermario Road Train Member

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    8 hours in the sleeper extends your 14 clock by 8 hours from the last time you took a break of at least 2 hours, but it does nothing for your 11. If you drove a full 11 hours nonstop you are absolutely not allowed to split the sleeper. The amount of driving time before and after the 8 hour split still needs to add up to 11 or less. Throw in a break of at least 2 hours after that, and now the end of your split becomes your new starting point for 11 and 14.

    As for your situation. Yeah. You're allowed to go past your 14 hr mark for a little bit to find a safe haven.
     
  5. Cerberus

    Cerberus Medium Load Member

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    and that is when the sixteen hour rule can be legally used. to find a safe haven to park.
     
  6. Dr. Venture

    Dr. Venture Medium Load Member

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    Perfect. Thanks for the replies!
     
  7. sidewinder429

    sidewinder429 Light Load Member

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    Hey there is no safe haven extension! And the split does not refresh the 11 and 14! Split logging leaves your hour available in a sort of deficit requiring more frequent brakes at key times to avoid violations.:biggrin_25522:
     
  8. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    No you was not legal. You can not drive passed the 14th hour unless you have 8 hours in the sleeper.

    You are not allowed to drive over your 11 or 14 hour rule to find a safe place to park. You must plan # least 2-3 hours at a customer and if you can't plan that in the trip and make it to a truck stop then you might refuse the load, unless you know for sure you will get right in and out. Or possibly if you know there is somewhere really close within a few miles you can get to. However you are over your hours but you can't really log it on the log sheet.

    The only way to drive over your 11 hour is if read below:

    b) Adverse driving conditions. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (h)(2) of this section, a driver who encounters adverse driving conditions, as defined in § 395.2, and cannot, because of those conditions, safely complete the run within the maximum driving time permitted by §§ 395.3(a) or 395.5(a) may drive and be permitted or required to drive a commercial motor vehicle for not more than 2 additional hours in order to complete that run or to reach a place offering safety for the occupants of the commercial motor vehicle and security for the commercial motor vehicle and its cargo. However, that driver may not drive or be permitted to drive-

    (b)(1)(i) For more than 13 hours in the aggregate following 10 consecutive hours off duty for drivers of property-carrying commercial motor vehicles;

    (b)(1)(ii) After the end of the 14th hour since coming on duty following 10 consecutive hours off duty for drivers of property-carrying commercial motor vehicles;

    (b)(1)(iii) For more than 12 hours in the aggregate following 8 consecutive hours off duty for drivers of passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicles; or

    (b)(1)(iv) After he/she has been on duty 15 hours following 8 consecutive hours off duty for drivers of passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicles.

    (b)(2) Emergency conditions. In case of any emergency, a driver may complete his/her run without being in violation of the provisions of the regulations in this part, if such run reasonably could have been completed absent the emergency.



    Then read this Q & A in the Federal DOT book (Keep in mind when you read 15 it should be 14, they still have not updated some information correctly)

    Question 3: May a driver use the adverse driving conditions exception if he/she has accumulated driving time and on-duty (not driving) time, that would put the driver over 15 hours or over 70 hours in 8 consecutive days?
    (it should say 14 hours)
    Guidance: No. The adverse driving conditions exception applies only to the 10-hour rule.
    (it should say 11 hour rule)

    Question 4: Are there allowances made in the FMCSRs for delays caused by loading and unloading?

    Guidance: No. Although the regulations do make some allowances for unforeseen contingencies such as in §395.1(b), adverse driving conditions, and §395.1(b)(2), emergency conditions, loading and unloading delays are not covered by these sections.


    Question 5: How may a driver utilize the adverse driving conditions exception or the emergency conditions exception as found in §395.1(b), to preclude an hours of service violation?

    Guidance: An absolute prerequisite for any such claim must be that the trip involved is one which could normally and reasonably have been completed without a violation and that the unforeseen event occurred after the driver began the trip.

    Drivers who are dispatched after the motor carrier has been notified or should have known of adverse driving conditions are not eligible for the two hours additional driving time provided for under §395.1(b), adverse driving conditions. The term "in any emergency" shall not be construed as encompassing such situations as a driver's desire to get home, shippers' demands, market declines, shortage of drivers, or mechanical failures.

    I hope this clarifies it for you
     
  9. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Split will restart your 14 hour window from the LAST break.
    So if you
    drive 5 take a 2 hour break then drive 6 and take an 8 hour break you should be good for something, right?
    Yeah go to the end of the 2 hour break and count over 14 hours Now since you have an 8 hour sleeper break you can count over 8 hours from your 14 hour window you just figured out. Or you could say once you come off your 8 hour sleeper break you go to the end of the 2 hour break and count over 22 hours. 14+8=22.

    The driving time available to figure is always
    Add up the driving hours in between the 8 & 2. So I had 6 you do this

    11-6=5. That's how many hours you can drive
    I reposted a discussion about split breaking. I think you understand just want to make sure others are clear. He does reset your 14 hour but you never come off an 8 or 2 hour break with a full 11 or 14.

    Split breaking basically lets you finish the driving time you did not get to finish. Just like the old way, it still works the same (although not everyone was doing that right either)
     
  11. wsyrob

    wsyrob Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I have a question. I got a log violation for 15 minutes over my 14 after split logging. That 15 minutes was a posttrip and I was home for a restart. Is I read the rule one cannot drive over 14 hours. Does the post trip count in these hours? I didn't drive the truck past 14 hours
     
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