Bouncing vs sitting.

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by 217flatbedr, Nov 15, 2015.

  1. 217flatbedr

    217flatbedr Light Load Member

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    Here's the situation: You have a direct shipper/customer you haul for. They pay within 7 days. They have steady, year round freight you've been moving for years now. You've negotiated a fair base rate, FSC that adjusts weekly and stop pay for every stop. The run you cover has an average length of haul of 2300 miles and the shipper/customer won't pay round trip miles. Up until now finding backhauls hasn't been too difficult. Now spot market freight is slow (and extremely cheap) to say the least. So here's the big question.........how far are you willing to bounce to get back to the shipper/customer?
     
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  3. Son

    Son Light Load Member

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    Well you never did say what the outbound rate is. Regardless you need to know your numbers so you know if your eating all your profit deheading back.
    Truck paid off or loan? 5.5 mpg or 7.5?
    4 bucks a mile out or 2.25?
    Whats your expense cost per mile?
    How greedy/lazy are you.....
    It's all up to you man
    I know what my truck is capable of making per mile and I stick to that goal.
     
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  4. baha

    baha Road Train Member

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    In the past the out/bound shipper paid enough to bounce back empty and anything loaded on return trip was just extra $ if time allowed before reload or having extra trailer around to load, till back/haul could be unloaded?
     
  5. zinita17601

    zinita17601 Road Train Member

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    If u had a customer and the same run for years u should've found another dedicated run for the return trip and maybe bought an extra trailer or two. I will deadhead to the nearest hot market
     
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  6. Oscar the KW

    Oscar the KW Going Tarpless

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    Depending on what your outbound load pays, I would be willing to bounce back all the way back if necessary. Otherwise bounce back as far as you need to to get another load going in that direction. Like was already mentioned, I would be looking for another direct customer with freight going back to your origin.
     
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  7. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I understand about hauling "cheap freight".......but, if the choice is running empty 2300 mi or, running loaded all or part way, why not put some freight on your wagon to defer expenses ?
     
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  8. 217flatbedr

    217flatbedr Light Load Member

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    The question isn't about cheap freight, being lazy, greedy etc. Paying freight that makes sense for the situation always goes on the wagon. Bouncing to some is akin to hauling "cheap freight".

    The question really is " a bird in the hand vs two on the bush" scenario. An agent once made the comment "most freight is shot gun freight". True I suppose for those who run the spot market, pull for a company that has freight "everywhere" and/or "follows the money" who doesn't mind going wherever. However what about a situation where certainty has been introduced? Perhaps another angle of looking at this would be from the perspective of tortoise vs hare. Would you sit waiting? What's sitting cost?

    Finding another direct customer and adding additional trailers on the opposite end was mentioned. In my original scenario I mentioned serving a specific area. I failed to mention that area includes the entire west coast. Doing multiple stops while covering that region usually means being empty in a different area almost always at or near the end of the week. Keep in mind the average length of haul. You'll figure out its an every other week gig with little certainty of ending up empty near the same place consistently.

    Keep the responses coming.....
     
  9. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    It's not just a cheap freight thing, it's a TIME thing. Pulling cheap freight could possibly defer some of the expense, but it will cost you time. Time is more important.
     
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  10. mountaingote

    mountaingote Road Train Member

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    Even a load that covers your fuel would be like getting back for free (almost)
     
  11. PeteyFixAll

    PeteyFixAll Medium Load Member

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    The Idea of a direct, regular customer on the return end, still has potential even if you never end in the same location. If your always ending on the opposite coast, there is potential to have a direct customer who would be within a reasonable bounce from most any where on that coast. So you would have consistent loading points on each coast, and variable deadhead after your deliveries. the second customer could even be partway back and still work well depending on the rate. As far as how far, that's just math and your needs..
     
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