Volunteer fire department and logbook

Tonythetruckerdude · Nov 24, 2015

chris887 said: ↑

I think the key here is VOLUNTEER fire department. Is volunteering considered a job? I don't know.
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Yes , it's considered as work. And is to be logged as on duty time.

chris887 · Nov 24, 2015

Tonythetruckerdude said: ↑

Yes , it's considered as work. And is to be logged as on duty time.
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I am not arguing with you, I think you are correct, but do you have a specific rule or reason why it is considered work if it is volunteering? It seems to be kind of a grey area to me.

FozzyNOK · Nov 25, 2015

Again: if it volunteer work it is a form of recreation.. its not work.. and no one can legally call it work. If there is a regulation that states this, someone needs to post it. You can build a church or run marathons all weekend.. its not work..

Cranky Yankee · Nov 25, 2015

and i log all my time awake waiting to be unloaded on duty

brianw123 · Nov 25, 2015

After reading all the replies I think it probably would be considered work, 2 main reasons, you are paid a stipend at the end of the year and that is based on how many calls you responded to. Also while at a call you are covered by the town's workman compensation insurance. So based on those two things and the fact there is a record of if you were there and what times then it would be prudent to log it. I don't think it would ever be noticed except the chance of being involved in an accident with lawyers involved. Thank you again to everyone for their input.

Jacked Jaw · Nov 28, 2015

Even if it is strictly non-paid the Insurance Coverage would lead me to believe it is but seldomly done. Very interesting question though.

Pedigreed Bulldog · Nov 28, 2015

The FMCSA addresses this very topic:

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.2?guidance

Question 27: A motor carrier has full-time drivers who are also volunteer fire fighters. Some of the drivers carry pagers and leave their normal activities only when notified of a fire. Others consistently work 3 to 4 non-consecutive 24-hour shifts at a fire station each month, resting between calls. The drivers receive no monetary compensation for their work. How should the time spent on these activities be logged on the record of duty status when the drivers return to work?

Guidance: When drivers are free from obligations to their employers, that time may be recorded as off-duty time. Drivers who are allowed by the motor carrier to leave their normal activities to fight fires and those who spend full days in a fire station are clearly off duty. Their time should be recorded as such.

Question 29: Although firefighters, emergency medical technicians, paramedics and other public safety professionals are often exempt from the hours-of-service (HOS) regulations under the governmental exception [49 CFR 390.3(f)(2)], they sometimes have second jobs with interstate motor carriers for which they are required to comply with the HOS rules. When one of these individuals has a second job with an interstate motor carrier and works a 24-hour shift for the fire/rescue/emergency services department, is all of the time spent during the shift considered on-duty time?

Guidance: No. Fire fighters and other public safety professionals working 24-hour shifts may record time during which they are required or permitted to rest as off-duty time. However, all time that the public safety specialist is required to perform work (e.g., administrative work, cleaning/repairing equipment, operating equipment, etc.) would be considered on-duty time.
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