Just so you know, the Buprenorphine will not show up on a DOT five panel drug screen as it is not one of the five for which they test and it is not an opioid. If you could get off of the Percocet and just use the Buprenorphine, no one would ever have to know except for you and your doc. I would not disclose or discuss it with any potential employers, as it is none of their business
DOT Physical/Neuro-Stim/Scrips
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FWIW, been about 10+years on meds myself.PitMaster and Rock 'n Roll Relocater Thank this. -
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I only use the wimpy 7.5 mg percocets 3x perday,( I WAS at one time taking 40mg oxy AND 15mg morphine)and I don't even wear a full patch...I actually cut them in half as the relief they provide is rather a bell curve. The surface area of the patch determines dosage, the thickness determines duration. My insurance company will pay for them to be replaced once every 7 days, however in reality they only reach their maximum effectiveness between days 2-4 while worn. Either side of that "curve" is rather noticeably less effective. What I do is cut them in half, then replace them every 3-4 days so it provides some overlap on the "low" days. I told my MD about this and he thinks it's a great idea...he only wondered of the actual med "leaks" but it does not. It's a gummy substance so I simply seal the "open" end with an inch of surgical tape and all is well.
The Neuro-Stim is indeed tantamount to an implanted tenns. However, the leads are anchored at the nerve root up the spinal column...placed depending on pain location. I was awake while the leads were fed in and they activated it so I could tell them exactly where the treatment was most effective. After we were all in agreement, out went the lights and then they implanted the battery in my left quarter. The surgery was about two hours start to finish, and to be honest...you could easily have it done on a Thursday and return to work by Monday or so...the only real restriction being heavy lifting for a few weeks while the leads build up scar tissue and really anchor themselves in. After that, I met with the Boston Scientific rep who then fine tuned and installed different programs to provide different relief sensations. The remote I have lets me manipulate it quite a bit though. Depending on the pain, I can direct it using the multiple parameters I'm able to control. I'm STILL playing with it and learning what works and what doesn't. The battery is recharged based on use and power output. On average I recharge every 5-7 days. It's also transdermal, I simply wear a velcro belt with the rechargeable unit in a pouch and place it directly over the implanted generator and it charges in about two hours or so depending on how low it is. A pretty easy/user friendly setup...but it IS expensive. Like I said...after the surgery the bill was $64,472. Worth it? You bet if it allows me to get off all the meds. I can't imagine being a slave to that master all my life...
To those still grinding away with the pain...it may be worth looking into. Obviously insurance companies aren't just going to give them away...and they WILL demand a history of issues which aren't responsive to other less costly/invasive treatments first, but it is an option nonetheless.
Take care all and thanks for the info again!
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You're going to have a lot of people come on here and tell you this and that but will not provide a reference to back it up. Your requirements come right out of the FMCSR's little green handbook under 382.213 (b) Controlled substance use.
By law this is the only requirement that is required by the FMCSA for prescribed medications use. The doctor that gave you the prescription must be DOT certified. That means the doctor must be legal in that state to prescribe that medication. He is only required to tell You and You alone if the medication is going to effect your driving. You are required to tell the doctor about your truck driving job.
There are some drugs like methadone and insulin can not be used ever. I would check with the FMCSA if your using a narcotic or habit forming drug. This requirement has some double standards to it and I would get a letter from FMCSA if I was going to use any of these medications.
Above is the law. However, the company may have it's own policy and include that they want to be notified by you on what prescriptions you are taking. They will not fire you for taking the medication but fire you for not informing them.
Some drivers feel that medications are the devils work and should never be taken around any CMV's. Most of them still drink. Medications are ok in my book if the benefits out way the side effects. I would never take Ambien and wake up and drive. But it's legal under FMCSA's rules. Just never take another person's word on such a career ending situation. Check all the rules and go to your Doctor and talk with him. Then if you really want to CYA go talk with the company and explain what you want to do.PitMaster Thanks this. -
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Mark, this reference you gave is not for testing for controlled substance. It's a manual to teach the doctor what to look for during the drivers physical. I did not read the entire reference so there may be some information on controlled substances. A very good reference for what the doctor looks for during your physical. I know these requirements and going to play a bigger role in trucking soon when the FMCSA get what they want and have a data base full of certified doctors throughout the U.S. -
The controlled substance use and requirements are here:
The Final Rule which harmonizes requirements on Schedule I drugs between 382. 213, 391.41(b)(12) and
392.4 was published on January 30, 2012. There were inconsistencies as to whether a commercial driver
would be permitted to use a Schedule I medication when under the direction of a licensed health care provider. A proposed rule was published in July 2011 which clarified that Schedule I drugs would not be permitted even if under the direction of a licensed health care provider. With this clarification, the wording for 391.41(b)(12) was changed to the following with the Medical Examination Reporting updated to reflect this change;
Section 391.41(b)(12)(i)&(ii) state:
(12)(i) Does not use any drug or substance identified in 21 CFR 1308.11 Schedule I, an amphetamine, a narcotic, or other habit-forming drug.
(ii) Does not use any non-Schedule I drug or substance that is identified in the other Schedules in 21 part 1308 except when the use is prescribed by a licensed medical practitioner, as defined in § 382.107, who is familiar with the driver's medical history and has advised the driver that the substance will not adversely affect the driver's ability to safely operate a commercial motor vehicle.
The list of Schedule I drugs is here:
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/cfr/1308/1308_11.htm
It does not matter if you have a prescription for a Schedule I drug. You may not drive a commercial vehicle while using (or having the metabolites in your system) a Schedule I drug. Period. The waiver program has been discontinued.
The (ii) is about documentation. Any long term prescription must be disclosed and documented.
A civil penalty may also be levied against the driver under 49 U.S.C. 521(b)(2)(b), either for making a false statement or for concealing a disqualifying condition. Penalties have increased.
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Kind of an odd question but not really. Driving sixty plus hours a week is not exactly body friendly are you not concerned that the daily toll is going to send the injury into overdrive
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