Today I saw a driver wearing a pistol....

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Verdel, Dec 13, 2015.

  1. Lazydog

    Lazydog Light Load Member

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    Yep, I'm going to believe what I know. As to the planes you are talking about are we talking WWII? Those planes are not pressurized. Guns on the plane, be it Air Marshall or Pilot, are last resort measures.
     
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  3. crzyjarmans

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    I posted before where I had this conversation with another driver, he said NHP told him it was illegal, I emailed them and here's their response

    "CMV drivers must follow local laws and their company policies only. There are no Commercial Federal Regulations concerning firearms. Please let me know if you have any further questions.



    -----Original Message-----
    From: shawn jarman [mailto:crzyjarmans45@hotmail.com]
    Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 4:54 AM
    To: Chelsea Stuenkel
    Subject: Commercial driver carrying a firearm


    Had this conversation the other day with a CDL driver, could please tell me where to go to get the actual law on the legality of a driver carrying a firearm in the truck, thanks for your help."
     
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  4. crzyjarmans

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    if your wondering who is "NHP" it's Nevada Highway Patrol
     
  5. cnsper

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    Actually, Mythbusters did an entire episode based on explosive decompression. Yeah, it's not happening. The only way they were able to make it look like what you see on the screen was with a shaped charge.
     
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  6. cnsper

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    Boy are you drinking the wrong kool aid.

    1. Equalization will occur at the same rate whether on the ground or in the air. Rate of equalization had nothing to do with altitude.
    2. Air pressure on the ground is much higher than in the air. Why do you think it has to be pressurized? It is so we can breathe, not to keep the plane from collapsing inward.
    3. Have you ever tried to pop a balloon that was getting low on air only to just put a hole in it, where if you take another balloon and it is inflated to the max it will explode?

    When you are in a plane, they do not pressurize it down to ground level atmospheric pressure, only to about 10k feet or so. They compensated when they pressurized the cabin for the difference in external pressure.

    What is the worst accident you have seen on the news with a plane coming apart? The worst one I can remember was the United Airlines that was leaving Hawaii when a baggage door came open. The roof off of the 1st class cabin came off the plane. How come the rest of the plane did not get sucked out that hole? Why did the roof come off instead of sucking everything out the baggage door?

    By the way, they were less than 10,000 feet when this happened so there was very little pressure difference if any.

    Ever wonder why you see someone fire a gun on TV and then it cuts away to the hole in the wall? Because without a shaped charge it does not happen, period.
     
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    Why do you keep sticking to the idea of the plane going down, or the side of the plane exploding?

    Basic physics.... Air pressure is LOWER the higher you go. That means there's LESS available oxygen the higher you go. What happens when pressurized air inside the plane has an unrestricted route to the lower pressure outside? If you guessed anything but the air just going outside, you're wrong. But the air going outside has a major issue with it... The air pressure inside the plane will balance out with the air pressure outside... The air pressure outside, at 34,000 feet, is way lower than what pretty much every human needs to be able to get enough oxygen to survive.

    The problem isn't the side of the plane flying off, the problem is that the oxygen that you need to breathe is rushing to get outside of the plane, when you need that to be inside with you, but judging from a lot of responses, you don't get much oxygen at sea level either. That's what the masks that come down, or the masks that a lot of people in the airforce wear are for. If there's a problem with that system, and there's a big enough hole in the plane (you actually don't need a very big hole to have these air pressure issues), you're probably going to lose consciousness after a while, and then die. It's not movies, it's biology and very basic physics.

    Once more time, no, the side of the plane isn't going to blow open and suck you out, which is what Mythbusters tested... BUT high pressure moves to low pressure. Putting a hole in a plane is like putting a hole in a tire, the air is going to leak out until it's at the same pressure as the air around it.
     
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    Your forgetting that there are pumps and pressure regulators working to maintain pressure. As long as the pumps can out work the leak it will be ok. A bullet hole is not enough to overcome the pumps. Your tire analogy is very flawed as a tire does not have a pump constantly pumping air into it. It would be more like an air spring with a pinhole. Will it leak yes. But will your air compressor be able to keep it full for a while until you get it fixed, yes.......
     
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    http://www.airspacemag.com/need-to-...iner-suddenly-loses-cabin-pressure-142253641/


    A part I found interesting, much larger than a bullet hole

    July 13, 2009, a Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-300 (Flight 2294) depressurized after a one-foot hole appeared in its upper fuselage (an accident investigation is under way). The aircraft, en route to Baltimore from Nashville, was diverted to Charleston, West Virginia, where it landed safely. The cabin depressurized about 30 minutes into the flight at 34,000 feet, and no injuries were reported, although the NTSB noted “The damage left a hole measuring approximately 17 inches by 8 inches.”
     
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