frame vs quarter frame dump

I pretty much share the same feelings. If you pay attention to what your loading,how your loading and where your unloading, you should not have any issues with a frameless.
They both deserve to be treated with respect when your going to be loading iffy materials and/or unloading on iffy ground/weather(cross winds). It's happened to me before, in that i think framed trailers lure people into a false sense of security. "Oh I've got a frame Iit'll be stable Im good to go...Annnnnd snap"
What are you hauling or was this a general question??
Don't do what this guy did and there's more than 1 thing wrong with this scernario..

 

Never let the operator load you that heavy ever.

 

There's more things wrong then I can count in that video, two biggest are dump the air and either put it up or put it down don't stop it, and don't move until it's out of the nose.

i doubt that's that heavy with those bails, I could legally get 41 ton in my old tri axle pete day cab and tri axle MAC frameless (7 axles) in New York and have yet to have a trailer go over on me, never mind the loads I went oops on loading off the guages.

 

Why dump tractor air, and why shouldn't you stop when dumping. Only mistake u saw,was backing up and hitting the rock.

 

Stopping it when coming down, especially with a load still on can cause the piston to give, also when it is going up you want it out of the nose as soon as possible, no stability on the tractor with air in it especially if the tractor has a left and right leveling valve, it also puts stress on the bags which can cause them to blow, all of which can send a trailer over.

 

Agreed. Always dump the bags on trailer AND truck. You want all the stability you can get. Pick your spot, and once you've made the decision, stick it on up there and get your rocks off as quick as possible. The longer you keep all that weight in the air, the better the chances that something will go wrong.

 

Not that you can't do it because a load =$$$ but I couldn't imagine loading that big rock in a trailer like that. That's what those half round steel rock tubs are for!!..Seems like that would really beat the hell out of the insides of what otherwise looked like a pretty sharp bucket...
Out of curiosity, since were talking frameless do you guys have a preference if the truck or trailer "walked"? I only ever did stockpiling or dumping into a pit so I always walked the truck... Maybe it doesn't matter but I always thought I wanted the trailer to stay put since that's got all the weight..

 

In a landfill I always pull the truck to the trailer, dumping fertilizer or lightweight stone I will occasionally walk the trailer to the truck once it's mostly out of the nose but only if it's flat ground

Also anything that goes into a landfill gets a plastic liner to get the nose clean

 

I basically learned to run end-dumps doing demo & dumping out@land fills. IMHO...Prolly the best experience there is. Like unloading on a sponge.As noted on another post, I generally never walk the trailer unless dumping big rock or concrete/asphalt chunks on some frame less trailers that raise really high & can allow chunks to roll forward hitting the locks or cylinders. Sounds funky....but I took out a pot & two locks on a new Dragon frame less a few years ago. Ranco is the same. Almost like the cylinder was a bit too long. Full up = about 6" clearance. I dunno.