Bobtailing to motel

Oklahoma will nail you also. Along with California

 

If the company says you're off duty you can drive your truck any where you want to. Don't remember the section out of the dot book but I have drove my truck and trailer empty from CA to Mo more than once no log and never had a problem.

 

Well, it does depend on whether anyone is actually checking, and who is doing it. This is one of those little tidbits of HOS technical stuff that is highly subjective to enforcement, and each state sets it's own parameters to some degree. I have yet to come across any real big issues, but in conversation with some LEO's in my home state, pulling even an empty trailer gets classified as laden to them. Only way they see PC is an unladen tractor, and not heading to go get a trailer, empty or laden.

 

Are you paid to drive bobtail to hotel? If so you must log it as driving.

If not paid log off duty personal conveyance.

 

You can't use personal conveyance with a trailer.

 

Just log off the system and drive the truck!!!!!

 

Incorrect; being paid does not necessarily determine if a driver is on-duty.

Part 395
HOURS OF SERVICE OF DRIVERS

§ 395.2: Definitions.
Guidance

Question 10: How does compensation relate to on-duty time?

Guidance: The fact that a driver is paid for a period of time does not always establish that the driver was on-duty for the purposes of part 395 during that period of time. A driver may be relieved of duty under certain conditions and still be paid.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.2?guidance
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I would love to know how you do not have to log driving while driving if being paid. You would be on duty. You can not use personal conveyance if being paid for it.

If being paid you are not relieved of work.

 

http://www.jjkeller.com/shop/Catego...-is-personal-conveyance*072014_10151_-1_10551

 

As long as it is empty, yes you can have a trailer. We do this daily with our daycab car haulers to get to the motel and have never had any trouble, even in Maryland and other hard nosed states.

The most important consideration with personal conveyance is that you are not under dispatch and you do not position yourself into a better location for your next dispatch, meaning you can't pc home to Iowa from Texas then take a load out of Iowa like Cowpie's friend does although he seems to be getting away with it. As stated in your link from JJ Keller pc is really designed to go to/from home and the terminal and to hotel/food/entertainment while away from home.

As far as being paid, when I was a company car haul driver I was paid for every minute away from home, even my time in the motel, so by some definitions in this thread I was never really off-duty. As long as I am relieved of duty it does not matter if I am getting compensated for the time, otherwise all the freight haulers that get detention time, layover, or breakdown pay could not log off-duty while in those situations.