Cat C13 with coolant getting into the oil

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  1. cumminskid123

    cumminskid123 Light Load Member

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    If the engine has high mileage, and has a head gasket failure, its because of the liner wearing the counterbore and "sunk" into the block, would it not? And not from manufacturer defect, I realize they build them on the low side... In mountainous areas, engine shops see sunk liners all the time from all the hill climbing, I just have a hard time piecing together your results, because your telling me AFTER you machined the counterbores, you clamp the liners and they leaked? Your counterboring process, either wouldn't cut cause your set too high or can't cause your too low, because .005" is a big cut right? i'm not questioning your methods, i'm just trying to learn from your experience
     
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  3. Truck engine machinist

    Truck engine machinist Light Load Member

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    I do not think that you understand the situation. I machined the counterbores perfectly, measured from the block deck. The bore in the block is machined so crooked, that when the liner is installed without clamping it down, gets against the rear side of the counterbore, while the front of the liner is still .005" from touching the front of the counterbore. So then, when the front of the liner is forced down against the counterbore, the liner gets so distorted, that it leaks coolant past the o-ring, that is .035" larger OD than the bore in the block,when installed on the liner. With out any pressure in the cooling system. Just gravity.
     
  4. cumminskid123

    cumminskid123 Light Load Member

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    So how did you get your measurement of .005"?
     
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  6. cumminskid123

    cumminskid123 Light Load Member

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    I don't understand how you can counterbore a block, make all your measurements from the deck, and not have whacky results
     
  7. T800H

    T800H Medium Load Member

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    I understand perfectly what you're saying, good thread.
     
  8. Truck engine machinist

    Truck engine machinist Light Load Member

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    I am embarrassed. I was completely wrong in my diagnosis of this problem. I should have waited until we got the block into our shop, to publish my diagnosis. It turns out that there was not a problem with the block, but the whole problem, was that the mechanic, unknown to me, was using anti-freeze as an o-ring lubricant. Apparently the o-rings were not sliding into place as they should have, causing them to buckle, as the liners were being installed into the block. He should have been using the Cat recommended "rubber lubricant". The thing that threw me off, and I have no explanation for it, is that the o-rings all buckled on the same side, which pushed all of the leaking liners, the same way. If even one of them would have pushed the opposite way, It would have thrown my "crooked bore theory" out the door. He had had a Cat mechanic examine the problem, and he thought that anti-freeze was a suitable lubricant. "IT IS NOT"!! After closely examining the o-rings that were only installed once, one of them was split halfway through. Because these are flat o-rings, they are much more critical as to what lubricant is used. Sorry for my misleading posts.
     
  9. swaan

    swaan Road Train Member

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    Those O rings need lots lube when those liners are pressed in and antifreeze is deffinattly not the proper stuff.

    I know of many mechanic's that use plain old liquid sunlight dish soap. Thousands of rebuilds and just sunlight dish soap on the liner O rings , never had a issue.
    Not saying it's the recommended stuff but as good as anything out there I'm sure.
     
  10. cumminskid123

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    Everyone makes mistakes lol, i'm just glad to hear you got it resolved.
     
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