Air brakes using to much air

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by 377pete, Oct 30, 2016.

  1. 377pete

    377pete Light Load Member

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    Got a pete 377 thats acting up. its a dump.truck with a pup trailer. brakes are adjusted and no air leakes. when its emty the brake guage only goes up to 15 psi when applying the brakes and stop really good. with the truck and pup loaded the brakes suck, uses up to 60 psi and i have to apply brakes several times and run out off air and buzzer comes on. cant find any leaks
     
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  3. 4x4_Welder

    4x4_Welder Medium Load Member

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    Leaking wheel seals, worn out shoes, bad slack adjusters, or any one of a number of other issues.
    Have you had anyone hit the brakes while you watch the chambers and mechanical bits?
     
  4. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    Not sure I'm following what you're saying. Is your issue poor stopping power from the brakes? Or is it a lack of reservoir capacity? Or is it a lack of reservoir capacity because you are constantly pumping the brakes?
     
  5. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    If stopping power is the issue, I'd be checking the linings for contamintation or glazing. If its a lack of air reservoir capacity, I'd try and drain the air tanks from full down to completely empty. Trapped water in the tanks will reduce their capacity.
     
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  6. ExOTR

    ExOTR Windshield Chipper Extraordinaire

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    This is a good point, if you don't bother to drain the trailer tank it might be 70% water. I've drained well over a gallon out of trailer tanks, don't think many people bother to open the drain valve. Only thing I miss about running doubles is everyone left the valves open when they dropped.
     
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  7. 377pete

    377pete Light Load Member

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    I have drained the tanks, slacks adjusters are all 8 months old and brakes linings. had my son step on brake pedal and everything is functioning . its my braking power. like their is a delay when the truck is loaded.
     
  8. swaan

    swaan Road Train Member

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    Maybe its the brake lining and or drums itself. Ive seen some lining look really good but when they get old they get hard and or glazed and dont stop worth a dam.
    If you have proper air pressure confirmed with a gauge at the pots then id replace your lining and drums with fresh stuff before you kill someone.
     
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  9. x1Heavy

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    If the drums are glazed, you aint stopping.

    If the diagphram between the spring chamber and the stroker chamber that adds power to your slack adjusters to apply the pads to the drums are bad, you will leak through there.

    If your pads are glazed or cooked, you aint stopping.

    If your drums are cracked on the inside from too much heat you aint stopping.

    If you cannot get inside a certain stroke distance you aint stopping.
     
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  10. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Straight trucks and buses are required to have a brake inversion valve. One of those systems malfunctioning can cause what you are describing.
     
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  11. 377pete

    377pete Light Load Member

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    The shop found a bad brake chamber on steer axle and a valve .
     
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