Employee set-up VS. Incorp Employee

I can't agree. Pay should be based per hour for ALL hours worked. Not per load etc.

Too many factors; ie; snow storm, receiver can't unload etc etc why should the driver not get compensated for things that are not his doings?

 

I understand your point. However, there is only so much money for human resources. The only way you can pay someone for unforseen hours (when the truck is not being billed by the hour) is to start out with a lower than possible wage. In other words, if you are paying the driver the maximum that the trucks income will allow while still leaving a reasonable return for the company, there is no more money to pay for time that the truck doesn't get paid for. That's why I believe that pay should be based on how the truck is paid. that way you can pay your drivers top dollar all the time. No need to hold wages down for contingencies.

 

Same way every single other company that pays hourly does it. Keep track and discipline the driver for not performing. Yes, up to and including firing him. This is no different than office workers chatting for 6 hours a day around a water cooler, or a factory worker stepping outside to grab a cigarette while the line backs up.

 

When I was in business we had city P& D trucks. I cannot imagine telling one of my drivers: BTW if you are waiting 2 hours for a loading dock I am not going to pay you. First , being under provincial labor laws that would be illegal. Second it is not morally correct. If the driver has to wait it is not his fault. If you cannot afford to pay the driver then get out of business. I there is not enough money coming in to cover that expense it is either your fault for not negotiating more$$ or you are a bad business person. How can we even be discussing this? It is not 1920. I am not some NDP shmuck but every person should be paid for his work. When my drivers stop to buy fuel I did not stop the clock. If the driver is wasting a lot of time fire his butt. Licensed to Kill: Your logic is bad. As the truck owner it is your responsibility to get paid enough to allow your driver a decant wage. Why should he be penalized for your problems. Go back to your shippers and raise the rates. if that is not possible sell the business.

 

If Transportation labor laws were provincial instead of federal we would not be having this discussion. Trucking companies that do not operate inter Provincial have to pay for every hour!

 

That says a lot right there.

we had city P& D trucks. I cannot imagine telling one of my drivers: BTW if you are waiting 2 hours for a loading dock I am not going to pay you. First , being under provincial labor laws that would be illegal. Second it is not morally correct. If the driver has to wait it is not his fault. If you cannot afford to pay the driver then get out of business. I there is not enough money coming in to cover that expense it is either your fault for not negotiating more$$ or you are a bad business person. How can we even be discussing this? It is not 1920. I am not some NDP shmuck but every person should be paid for his work. When my drivers stop to buy fuel I did not stop the clock. If the driver is wasting a lot of time fire his butt. Licensed to Kill: Your logic is bad. As the truck owner it is your responsibility to get paid enough to allow your driver a decant wage. Why should he be penalized for your problems. Go back to your shippers and raise the rates. if that is not possible sell the business.[/QUOTE]

No, my logic is lost on you. Go back and re-read what I said. Perhaps i didn't convey what I am trying to say very well but you missed the point completely. What you are suggesting is that is the company can negotiate a better rate, the drivers wage should stay the same and the company should keep the added revenue and just dole out a little to the driver here and there for a few unforseens. In my world, the driver is the single most important part of the operation and as such, I pay as much as my operation can reasonable allow. When the driver is paid by the same schedule as the truck, it is rather simple math to figure out what that figure is. If the truck is paid by the mile and the driver paid by the hour, how do you calculate his hourly rate?. You can't use the best case senario (IE 1500 miles @ 50 miles per hour = 30 hours) so you pay him top hourly rate based on a 30 hour trip because if you do, and there is a delay of some kind, you go in the hole and the company will go broke. So, you pay the driver LESS than top hourly rate so the company can afford to pay any unforseen delays. Problem is, when everything goes well, the company is pocketing some of what I think SHOULD have gone to the driver. Companies get rich off of drivers that think like you do. I suspect that you also think the government is being good to you when you get a couple hundred dollars back at tax season also. Pretty much the same thing. That money should have been/was yours in the first palce. Just like with the driver wage. The company pays you for unforseen delays and you are all happy about it but that money should have been the drivers whether there was a delay or not. At the end of the day, I guess as long as the employee THINKS he's/she's be ing paid a fair wage and fair wage structure for the work they are providing, that's what matters. I could have saved a LOT of money over the years with your kind of pay schedule as well as paying OT but I wouldn't feel very good about it. There's more to life than money and, as the single most important asset in a trucking company (any company for that matter), I believe that my employees should be paid the maximum that the business will allow rather than playing shell games to make them THINK they are making more than they are. That's just me I guess.

 

As long as both parties make money and are on common ground I don't think it much matters ...

Some people prefer 0.40 + fuel pay + Scale pay + waiting pay +++++
Others are happy to collect 0.50 as an all in rate.
Different strokes for different folks. At the end of the year they both do a similar job and earn a similar amount.

 

License to kill: maybe we should start over. I certainly do not advocate the O/O getting more $$ and not sharing that with the driver. What I meant was that if one cannot pay the driver a decent wage then the truck owner should get more $$ for his loads so that the driver can get a decent wage. I did not bother to read the rest of your rant. You are wanting to pay the driver less and then do some strange math. I stated that if there are not enough resources to pay a proper wage then ante up or find a new vocation. believe it or not there are trucking companies that pay their drivers well. Not some cheap 40 cents a mile and a 2 cent bonus! Wal mart USA pays for every thing the driver does: Pre Trip, fueling, etc.. Their ads about $85,000 a year are very true. What do you pay your drivers? Prairie Boy would shame most small trucking firms. Ask him to tell us what he pays his drivers.