SWR vs Resonance

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  1. rabbiporkchop

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    Enjoy..
    http://www.k0bg.com/myths.html
    The SWR Myth

    [​IMG]There are several inexpensive ways to measure an antenna's input impedance with a fair degree of accuracy, typically ±5%. The MFJ-259B is one. If you have, and know how to use, antenna modeling software like EZNEC, you can get fairly close to an antenna's real-world efficiency by comparing the measured parameters against calculated ones.

    If you have the acreage, the right kind of test equipment, a fair knowledge of antenna theory, some cash liquidity, and a whole lot of time on your hands, you can even measure the signal strength at any given angle of radiation within a few percentage points. Alas, most amateurs don't have these facilities, so they resort to the SWR myth.

    Measuring the SWR is an easy task, so I suspect this is why neophytes often use SWR as a means of quantifying and qualifying their antennas. The truth is, a low SWR means nothing other than your transceiver will be happy! Maybe!

    One thing is for sure, it will not give you the true resonant point, unless the antenna's input impedance (at resonance) is exactly R50 +jØ; a very rare occurrence indeed! Fact is, it is possible to damage some transceivers even though the SWR appears to be low.

    [​IMG]A very common belief is that the lowest VSWR point is always the exact resonant point. This is a myth! For example, an unmatched, HF mobile antenna, of decent quality, will have an average input impedance of ≈25 ohms at resonance. This represents an VSWR of 2:1. This fact can be easily demonstrated by measuring the input impedance with an antenna analyzer.

    [​IMG]By definition, an antenna's resonant point will be when the reactive component (j) is equal to zero (X=Ø, or +jØ). At that point in our example shown at left, the R value reads 23 ohms, and the SWR readout will be 2.1:1 (actually 2.17:1). If we raise the analyzer's frequency slightly, the reactive component will increase (inductively) along with an increase in the resistive component, hence the VSWR will decrease, perhaps to 1.4:1. In this case, the MFJ-259B is connected to an unmatched, screwdriver antenna mounted on the left quarter panel, and measured through a 12 inch long piece of coax. This fact is shown graphically in the image at right.

    Depending on the transceiver in question, the resulting reactance may or may not cause any major problems, but it is still advisable to properly matchyour antenna. It should be noted, however, if your antenna doesn't require matching (input impedance ≈50 ohms), you need a better antennaand/or mounting scheme!

    Looking at this another way. You measure your antenna's SWR with an SWR bridge, and it's 2:1. If there is no reactance present, then the input impedance of the measured antenna could be 25Ω (typical for a short HF mobile antenna), or it could be 100Ω. It could also be 50Ω ±35j. The only way you would know if there was reactance present, would be to use an antenna analyzer instead of the SWR bridge. Because of this issue, the SWR readout of any antenna analyzer should be ignored while attempting to match a mobile antenna!

    If the input impedance of an antenna is other than 50 ohms non reactive (50R +Øj), any length of coax inserted between the antenna, and the antenna analyzer (or VSWR bridge), will skew the readout results. The amount of skew depends on the magnitude of the mismatch, and the length of the coax in question. For this reason, antenna analyzer measurements should be taken as close to the antenna as possible.
     
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  3. Ridgeline

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    For many this is too over their heads, for some they can maybe sort of understand it but won't get it. While others who want to experiment with it can figure it out, some of them don't do the math correctly and think they got a grasp on it.
     
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  4. ShooterK2

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    Or you can just buy a good antenna, set the SWR so it doesn't hurt the radio, and be happy. Truckers have been doin' it this way for years. Very seldom does it not work. Most don't care to talk OR hear farther than they can see anyway. Heck, most don't even have their radio on these days.

    While I agree with you that an analyzer is a good tool to have, the vast majority just don't care. It's like tryin' to convince everyone to buy a sled gauge to check liner protrusion, but most never will cuz they don't do their own in-frame rebuilds.
     
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  5. L.B.

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    most people or cb shops don't have an antenna analyzer. I'm a ham and I don't have an antenna analyzer. Set swr and hope for the best.
     
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  6. rabbiporkchop

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    Now that we've made the progression from bipolar transistors to mosfets which don't seem to do too well going into a low impedance load I just figured I'd point out the differences between resonance and SWR since most of these newer radios are very delicate and prone to blowing finals if the match is less than perfect.
     
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  7. wolverine11

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    Is the risk lower ( blowing finals) if running stock power ( 4 watts) than running a radio that has been modded?
     
  8. rabbiporkchop

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    I'm only making an educated guess but I would think it's safe to make that assumption
     
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    I need to purchase a analyzer, any suggestions on a decent, entry level one at a reasonable price.
     
  10. Ridgeline

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    Well maybe we need to address the problems related to the simplicity of the matching network within the final stages of the radio for the purpose of mass production instead of assuming that the Mosfet can't take the mismatch because of the limited time that the device withstand the mismatch. It isn't with the active device but how it is setup to only deal with a limited impedance change that is the real issue.
     
  11. rabbiporkchop

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    I don't think that helps these truck drivers keep their radios from blowing up.
    It's also not much consolation for the guys with burned up first generation ICOM IC-706 MkIIG's since Motorola discontinued the SRF-J7044 MOSFETs.
    Repairs aren't cheap in fact they could be quite expensive and might surpass the expense of replacing the radio all together.
    Antenna matching however, is very cheap and it's something we can all learn how to do to protect our investment
     
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