ELD IS GOING AWAY !!!!!

And look back several months or even years. If a lawyer can find a flaw anywhere, they will exploit it. And it is not about what might be right or wrong, it is about what a lawyer can convince a jury to believe. And any lawyer worth his salt is going to try and make the truck driver look like a renegade. As much as the ELD thing is a hassle and seems like a communist plot to rule over drivers, it does have some distinct advantages. Given the lawsuit crazy world we live in, I actually am comfortable with Elogs as a way to keep my butt covered. I would rather deal with some of the hassles than sit in a 6x9 jail cell for days on end. ELD hassles, I can adjust to and make it work. Not a lot of flexibility in a jail cell.

 

Easy solution. If you run say more than 100 (personally 50 would be better, but I'll leave some room here) drivers, mandatory ELD. Too much room for error with that many paper logs to keep track of, not to even mention the cost of having people to go through them.

For everyone else, if you are ever given a log infraction, it becomes a requirement for your CDL to be on electronic logs. Add a nice little letter to the CDL card. Just like I have to wear my glasses, if you've been caught falsifying your logs, you must use electronic going forward. Get caught without and you pay the price.

Just a thought.

Ed

 

I guess I'm missing something. Its not like the HoS rules magically change just because its computer recorded. I've never had any instances where I've had to fudge a log to get home in the last 5 years. If you followed the rules on paper, there's no reason to fear elogs IMO. While I have stated that I like elogs because its easier, I could care less if I had to run paper. Just means it takes a little more time to fill in.

 

It's not a "fear" of them. How much did it cost you to change to elogs?

 

And it's not just the cost to change. It's an ongoing expense.

 

Zero. Company I'm with switched to a phone app for now but we are supposed to be getting true onboard elogs in the near future.

 

I've found the people that aren't paying for them seem to like them more.

 

I've voluntarily made log violations twice in the last year. Once, my hours ran out 15 minutes away from the home terminal. The other time, I needed to get to a safe parking area, leaving Newark, NJ. Both times, I was less than an hour over my HOS, and put a note in explaining why, and then called the safety/logs guy the next day. No problems.

 

I'm also kind of outside the norm on here. I'm running a 5 ton service truck but because we run under a federal safety certificate we have to run logs. Biggest thing is if I have to stay late on a field job one night, I just stay and work in the shop on my last day of the week. That way I'm never in danger of running over my 70.

 

Which are not actually legal for use in Canada. Hopefully one of the scale officers never actually reads the regulations.

Connected automatic recording devices are legal, standalone apps/software are not.

83 A driver may use an electronic recording device for recording their duty status if

(e) the device automatically records when it is disconnected and reconnected and keeps a record of the time and date of these occurrences;

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2005-313/page-5.html#h-42
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The various regulators in Canada are in the process of trying to ratify an expanded set of regulations, but for now the sum total of the Canadian regulations are in Section 83.