Hours question... is this legitimate?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Commuter69, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. jasonlepak

    jasonlepak Bobtail Member

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    Being a company driver... If you're driving their truck and pulling their trailer and on your way to pick up a loaded trailer, that's log time.
    Now if you were driving their truck with no trailer to their yard where you're going to sit and wait for a load, then it could be considered personal.
    Any time the company tells you to drive their truck somewhere, it has to be logged.
     
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  3. reverendhandy

    reverendhandy Medium Load Member

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    Under no circumstance can you be driving off duty if you are hooked to a trailer.
    Bob tail under personal conveyance means where ever you leave the trailer and go home, go to Walmart etc, is where you have to end your PC.
    If they are asking you to pull an empty trailer then that's driving pure and simple.
    If it's your dispatcher telling you to do this, I would March my backside right up to the saftey department to have a little chat with them.
    If that didn't wake him up, I'd be on the phone with DOT.
    If you do it, you get stopped, get into an accident, the dispatcher is going to tell them you made the decision. You really think he's going to fess up to telling you to blatantly lie.
     
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  4. Toomanybikes

    Toomanybikes Road Train Member

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    Question 26: If a driver is permitted to use a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for personal reasons, how must the driving time be recorded?

    Guidance:

    a driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, time spent traveling from a driver’s home to his/her terminal (normal work reporting location), or from a driver’s terminal to his/her home, may be considered off-duty time. Similarly, time spent traveling short distances from a driver’s en route lodgings (such as en route terminals or motels) to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings may be considered off-duty time. The type of conveyance used from the terminal to the driver’s home, from the driver’s home to the terminal, or to restaurants in the vicinity of en route lodgings would not alter the situation unless the vehicle is laden. A driver may not operate a laden CMV as a personal conveyance. The driver who uses a motor carrier’s Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for transportation home, and is subsequently called by the employing carrier and is then dispatched from home, would be on-duty from the time the driver leaves home.

    A driver placed out of service for exceeding the requirements of the hours of service regulations may not drive a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) to any location to obtain rest.

    Their is not a thing about trailer in the guidance or regulation. Quit putting something in their that doesn't exist.

    What is clear, if your working at the behest of your company, empty or loaded, trailer or not, you cannot run on personal conveyance.
     
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  5. Commuter69

    Commuter69 Road Train Member

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    I was taught that, sometimes, the safest thing to do when you run out of hours literally minutes from your planned "safe place stop" (terminal, truck stop, rest area, Walmart, whatever), is to get to that destination and park?

    Exactly how many minutes is reasonable? I have run out literally on the off ramp I needed with the location in sight range.... I have also run out up to 10 mile markers/exits away....

    What I typically do, assuming a full day of driving, is plan my meal break between hour 5 and 6. Most of the time, it will be a truck stop. However, on occasion, I will need a "supply " stop, so I will make my meal break a Walmart and it will be a longer period of time (I usually make meal breaks an hour because, by the time I have hit the restroom and ordered my food, 20 minutes has passed). Before I continue, I will look at my remaining drive time and plot that stop so I have a 30 minute Murphy window. If I think I will pull in late and free parking will be full, I will choose a location that has paid parking and reserve it ahead of of my arrival (I can do that with my tablet on Pilot's website or T/A's app). This way, it is one less headache for me knowing that I will not have to fight for parking. I don't like it, but if it is available to me and I think I will need it, that is what I have to do. I have been wrong once (Pilot, Joplin, MO), between the Pilot and the Petro next door, there was plenty of free parking, but I did not have the crystal ball to tell me that.
     
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  6. Raezzor

    Raezzor Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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    Unless the empty trailer IS the load then you may use personal conveyance while empty or bobtail. The 2 things that for sure you can't do are use it while loaded at any time or while under dispatch. Everything else is kind of gray such as max distance or time, direction of travel, destination, etc.
     
  7. Friday

    Friday Road Train Member

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    This part seems to be summing up OP's situation quite nicely.
     
  8. Commuter69

    Commuter69 Road Train Member

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    That was what I thought, and why I 'thanked' it....
     
  9. Chewy352

    Chewy352 Road Train Member

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    https://truckerpath.com/ = crystal ball

     
  10. Commuter69

    Commuter69 Road Train Member

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    I have tried that and it hasn't been right for me once... I checked it, and it shows parking is available, but when I arrive 30 minutes later, it isn't.

    Paying for parking, while annoying, is sometimes the only thing that I can do.
     
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