Must do's when buying used trucks.

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  1. dustinbrock

    dustinbrock Road Train Member

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    I've got my hard learned list of rules I follow when buying a used truck. As I'm in the market for another I thought I'd share mine and see what's important to other owners when buying. Here's my thoughts....

    When they say it was inframed/rebuilt. That means nothing to me as a "inframe" is a half a job. If a dealership did it then you can bet they did the bare minimum. I ask... was a new head put on (2 I recently called claimed fresh inframe but reused the head), did you replace injectors, did you cut counter bores, did you cut the deck, did you plastiguage and if so what we're the measurements? Did you use oem cylinder kits?

    While all those are not always necessary on every rebuild, it gives you a idea of Thier expertise and quality of work. If they say yes to all then it was done by a passionate mechanic who takes pride.

    If there was a rebuild but they cannot produce paperwork, I assume it was not done and they are lying. I'm not saying they are but that's what I assume as I've been burnt before by the smooth talking salesman.

    Review all work orders in private, never with a salesman. I got a stack from a fleet of all paperwork for my pete, salesman quickly ran through them even stopping for a second at one that mentioned head work and said "see, the top ends been done, this trucks been taken care of" told me the turbo was brand new.

    A month later when the motor failed, I thoroughly went through those work orders and half of them had another Vin and Unit number on them. The one for the head was peterbilt recommending a new head as it was about to drop a valve, they were instructed to put new guides and seals in. Next month it was on the sales floor. During inframe it was determined the turbo was shot, I asked that salesman why he said it was new and he said "it looked new"

    Just called a stealer ship a few days ago and listened to what a amazing truck they had for sale, it was Thiers and they bought it new and it's had such a easy life just hauling brand new empty trailers from the states to Thier dealership. I told him NO! your a #### lier, I told him exactly where that truck came from and what it did. I know because I bought another of that same fleets trucks!

    I hook a computer up and check a few things (engine dependent) I wanna see lifetime mpg, torque load %, I wanna know regen history on a emissions engine... how often and are the numbers good. I check the critical events for overheating, especially on a isx. If there is a logged critical coolant temp and no rebuild after..... RUN!

    I just checked a truck that had a critical not long ago and he said he lost a coolant hose climbing a hill so he limped up the rest of the hill and tried to keep the coolant temp down while climbing. I asked him why the coolant temp would matter with no coolant in there? If that sensor was reading 260+ just from the air temp in that empty pipe, imagine how cooked that motor is! Sell it fast, it's just not gonna be to me.

    Nobody sells a truck that's making them money, it's up to you to determine what's been costing them and if you can handle it.
     
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  3. xsetra

    xsetra Road Train Member

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    I do agree with your general assessment.
    I do not agree by not doing these things makes the mechanic any less passionate or prideful. It could be a cheap or broke owner can't afford these items or a dealer trying to make a quick flip.
    Like you explained, not all overhauls are the same.

    Keep the purchase price below $20,000. So if the motor or other major mechanical problems arise. Your not losing on the deal.

    I prefer to purchase trucks from others that are selling due to reasons other than losing financially. If one is selling truck because of lack of money. Most likely the maintenance was a bit lacking.

    If someone is selling a truck because they got a sudden medical problem or divorce or dui.
    All three scenarios I have purchased excellent trucks. Well kept and in good condition because those O/O's planned on being in business for along time and did not skimp on truck repairs or preventive maintenance.

    Good luck shopping.
     
  4. dustinbrock

    dustinbrock Road Train Member

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    Your absolutely right on that. Maybe I shouldnt have put it that way. More times then none, the mechanics hands are tied by the dealership maximizing profits or the owner not having the funds.

    I don't want to take away from the skilled mechanics.

    I just rebuilt my cat c15 and when I did, I told my mechanic to take the thing out and do absolutely everything! Every seal, every sensor and wire..... it all brand new.

    You should have seen his eyes light up..... and the amazing job he did! He said he rarely gets to do that because everyone tries to rebuild cheap.
     
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  5. AModelCat

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    Now what does one do in the event that the driver overhauled the engine themselves? Ask for copies of parts invoices?
     
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  6. xsetra

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    Yes the reply I usually get when asking a mechanic (not the shop supervisor) about repairs.
    option 1. To save money you can do this, that and the other thing.
    Option 2 mechanic says if it was my truck, I would do this that and the other thing.
    Usually not the same answer.
    Good mechanics know what to spend money on and the things that will last and replacing parts that aren't necessary, when a gasket or o-ring might do.
     
  7. xsetra

    xsetra Road Train Member

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    Yes, I would.
     
  8. dustinbrock

    dustinbrock Road Train Member

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    Yeah I would too. If it's business then they should still have reciepts proving it.

    Heck I take pictures, my Dropbox has photos saved of every engine rebuild over done which comes in handy.
     
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    Definitely don't forget to kick the tires!
     
  10. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    when i bought my truck it came with a 4-5 page invoice on the inframe that was done on it. i retained this copy for my records. it also came with a copy of the complete service records for the time the previous owner had it.

    can't tell you how many people selling trucks that claimed to have in frame done but when you ask for a copy of the invoice, they claim to not have them available. i call bs seems everyone that has a high millage truck that still runs good trys to pass it off as having been rebuilt

    the only thing that wasn't done on the in frame on my truck was they didn't do the cam, had it been me i would have done that. but then again the invoice on the inframe that had been done about 100k miles before i bought the truck totaled over 2/3rds of what i paid for the entire truck so im not really complaining.

    on in frames done by dealers to fix a truck in order to sell it. you have to cut corners only do the bear minimum to make it run right. in order to have any shot of making a profit. and even then your probably still going to be sitting on it for months i have spent some time in the used car business its real easy to end up with more in a car than you can even ask for it and then after all that someone is going to offer you even less than that. so you have to take that into consideration.

    i would pay more for a truck like i bought with full documentation quality in frame done by a reputable shop. than i would for a dealer repair "rebiuld" and i would pay more for that than i would a million mile truck that had never been touched. but really when you compare the three your probably only looking at a spread of 5-6k in asking price all else being equal. and if your buying from a privet seller you may even get that good in-frame truck cheaper than you would the truck with the flip rebuild from a dealer.

    so my advice when looking for a used truck is take your time and buy the right truck rather than the right now truck.
     
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  11. Umitelearnifubquiet

    Umitelearnifubquiet Bobtail Member

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    Oh,Boy where do I begin,well for starters,i believe in "If you show me a little,then that tells me a whole lot"

    PAPERWORK DOESNT MEAN #### to me you want PAPERWORK,Sure tell me What you want it to say and I'll have my Secretary Type it and Print it up,What else you need? Should I say more?..lmao

    I check everything from A-Z,all fluids,rear end,brakes drums,steering linkage,power steering ,run a dyno,Oil sample,bring it to my guy n get him to drop the oil pan,pull the bearings,i get EXACT % of how much bearing life yet,chances are if there good at the bottom,there good at the top end,& I dont mean just HEAD and valves,then chances are the camshaft & crank bearings are good to unless it's been unframed & I'm like the op,I assume it hasn't been done until I have it done.

    my mechanic lives close by & we have a GREAT UNDERSTANDING,& money is not a issue when it comes down to my business,he knows it,

    i check for blowby ,idle sound,stacks blowing out black,white or grey smoke,they all mean different things,im listening for air to kick off after 120psi,im looking to see if it's been greased or not,cab airbags,rear end airbags,hoses and lines on rear end heading up to 5th wheel,Spring bushings,Dogbone bushings,checking under cab,exhaust leaks,what color is the diesel how do it smell,is it normal?Clutch fan does it stay on after x amount of time and kicks off,does the fan lock up after proper psi is built up?

    belts,hoses,ac heater,top bunk bottom, does the fans come on,windows for leaks round the gasket,test drive it,how do it shift how do it sound,what the gauges look like after up to normal operating temps,oil pressure,battery voltage,plug up my electrical device to the cpu,check the HOS on the entire system,hell I can even cut each injector off 1 by 1,in this business you better have the proper tools,

    are there windshield cracks,the odor of the truck is it kept well inside,do all wipers and all electric components work properly,do the cabinets lock,how does under the bed look,is it wet or dry under Neath,its possible there could be a leak somewhere when it rains that I don't kno about? Is the turbo leaking oil,any rust spots around radiator or condenser?

    I do a 1000 point FULL INSPECTION.PERIOD

    LISTEN I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE MAY SAY,OK U GOING A BIT OVER BOARD,& YOU WILL PROBABLY BE WITH THE PERCENTAGE THAT EITHER A.NEVER OWNED A TRUCK B.WANT TO BUY A TRUCK AND DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT A TRUCK or C.FIGURE IT AINT MINES SO WHY THE HELL SHOULD I EVEN BOTHER WITH ALL THAT CRAP...BUT..BUT..AND THATS A BIG BUT..IF YOU EVER BOUGHT A TRUCK,OR PAID YOUR HARD EARNED CASH FOR A TRUCK,JUST TO DRIVE THE MOTHRFORYA! OFF THE LOT AND WEEKS LATER EXPERIENCE CATASTROPHIC FAILURE,$1000s of DOLLARS

    ,THEN YOULL WILL THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND MY POINT..

    ONCE you sign that paperwork,i don't care if it has a Warranty,or not and specially you L/P GUYS,yall get it the worst,,IF IT AINT FIXED RIGHT BEFORE I SIGN,,THEN I DONT sign Jack until it's the way I want it,you know why?

    BECAUSE ITS MY MONEY, have you ever PAID someone before they did the work for you for anything? Truck related or not? It's hard getting them to go back and redo any thing,& the 1 st thing they'll say is well,we booked it's gonna be next week before we can get to you,or "WELL WHY DID U SIGN FOR SOMETHING"if it wasn't to your liking...I'm speaking from EXPERIENCE,&

    all ima say is "BEEN THERE DONE THAT" & whoever dont like you to check All that stuff out,MUST HAVE A REASON ON WHY THEY WANT YOU TOO...LISTEN TO ME,IM SPEAKING FRoM EXPERIENCE

    So Op I Totally understand where your coming from!

    Stay safe out there!
     
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