Energy policy act - MAP-21 Question.

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  1. TommyTrucker88

    TommyTrucker88 Light Load Member

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    Hey guys so i finally got home and decided id ask a question that has been on my mind see if i cant get any solid answers since i havent anywhere else.
    I was loaded too heavy once at a beer distributor and found out i had to come back 30 minutes the other direction just to get some product taken off. Then found out i had to wait and get some approval from my employer to allow the merchandise to be taken off by the shipper. (What a pain, I just wanted to drive) I found out from my driver manager that i was able to carry a additional 400lb extra on my axles/ gross if my vehicle was equipted with a apu. I seen the sticker on the side of the truck on the passenger side near the steps that said that same tho it doesnt specify anything.
    This was a important thing to know for me because i was in need to know since i was the one doing the delivery and was taking the risk.
    I did not question it since i got a message on my qualcom with the energy efficiency act that Bush passed and my DM giving me to good to go about the problem.
    I then recently had a load that was overweight again but this time the weight was over on my drives and on my tandems. So i inquired to my dm again asking about how the weight can be distributed. I was told to contact safety and get a bigger scoop of the idea. Only to find out they were unable to find out either. On top of that i found out the exemption was only allowed in some states.
    Now i just read that Obama passed a bill saying there was a exemption for 550lb witch makes the confusion deeper.

    So now i just want things cleared up for my sakes and others that have had this on there minds or will encounter in the future.

    Can someone post a list or link to where the exemptions are good for and if there is a difference for 400-550lb?

    Also how is this weight distributed over the axles.
    Can i be 550lb on only one axle or on each axle as long as the gross is not max of 80550?
     
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  3. ChaoSS

    ChaoSS Road Train Member

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  4. TommyTrucker88

    TommyTrucker88 Light Load Member

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    Anyone know how the weight for the exemption is actually distributed over the axles legally?
     
  5. Ridgeline

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    Well it is a gross exemption not spread over axles and you would be advise not to think that you can add 400/550 lbs to the gross, just keep things on the light side.

    However the exemption isn't a mandate and it has to be accepted by the states, which it isn't in all the states. The best little chart I've seen is this -
    APU Weight Exemption Guide By State

    and it will show that California doesn't allow the exemption.

    So pretty much it is a useless thing.
     
  6. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Plus the weight is up to 400lbs. That sticker on your door jam gives the actual weight of the apu on your vehicle. That is the max allowance (or 400lbs, the lower one.)

    Like Ridgeline said. It's mostly pointless.
     
  7. TommyTrucker88

    TommyTrucker88 Light Load Member

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    Thanks thats the same site i seen the site and the exemption Obama passed i did not know of before for the 550lb.

    But im still confused as to the weight distribution.

    It says its made for the APU. So that should mean i can carry a additional 400-550 lb based on state. Otherwise there would no exemption just the regular 12/34/34(80)

    So can a additional 550lb split between axles so that the gross is no more then 80550lb or does the weight have to be on only a single axle to that max 80550 weight?
     
  8. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    No.

    34000 on a set of two axles tandem. Or a 10 foot spread axle trailer can carry 20K per axle total 40K.

    Your gross is 80000 hard stop.

    Do not try to make a living based on exceptions. It will royally bite you bad.
     
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  9. mostangjay

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    It's 400 lb. not 550. the extra weight can be spread over any set of axles as long as the extra weight doesn't exceed 400 lb combined over all axles. for example 34,200 on your drives and 34,200 on your tandems. and the 400 exemption can be used even if you're not over gross. for example, yesterday I picked up a load in ohio thats going to california and with the tandems at the 40 foot mark my tandems weighed 34,380 and my gross was only 77900, but because I have an APU that 380 lb over on my tandems were perfectly legal. and to boot over all the years I've been driving I've never had an issue if I was only a couple hundred pounds over, a DOT officers got to be a real dick to mess with you over such a small amount over.
     
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  10. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    Well I don't know what is going on, but all the DOT people gave me a hard time over a few hundred over axle here and there. Most of my life anyway...
     
  11. not4hire

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    There are three methods of exemption:
    1. None
    2. Legislative
    3. Enforcement policy
    And two exemptions:
    1. 400 lbs
    2. 550 lbs
    Because the exemption is merely suggested by the FHWA and not mandated, the exemption is up to each state. In order to be one hundred percent certain, you will need to read each state's legislation or policy. However, I am comfortable saying the following (based on a sample of state legislation/policies, of which, Wisconsin's is posted below):
    • The exemption applies to gross weight
    • The exemption applies to any/all axles in any combination (of the tractor)
    • The exemption is the lesser of:
      • The stated exemption allowance
      • The APU actual weight
      • The maximum weights allowed by installed components (i.e., axles, tires, etc.)
    348.15  Weight limitations on class “A" highways.

    (f)
    1. In this paragraph:
    a. “Heavy-duty vehicle" has the meaning given in 42 USC 16104 (a) (4).
    b. “Idle reduction technology" has the meaning given in 42 USC 16104 (a) (5).
    2. Notwithstanding pars. (a) to (c) and (g), sub. (4), and ss. 348.17 and 349.16, and subject to subd. 3., in the case of a heavy-duty vehicle equipped with idle reduction technology, the gross weight of the vehicle, and the gross weight imposed on the highway by the wheels of any one axle or axle group of the vehicle, may exceed the applicable weight limitation specified in pars. (a) to (c) or (g) or posted as provided in s. 348.17 (1) by not more than 400 pounds or the weight of the idle reduction technology, whichever is less.

    3. This paragraph applies only if the heavy-duty vehicle operator, upon request, proves, by written certification, the weight of the idle reduction technology and, by demonstration or certification, that the idle reduction technology is fully functional at all times​

     
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