Darwin Award; squatters get free house.

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  1. Chinatown

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    Question:
    About 17 years ago I inherited my father’s mortgage-free town house in Southern California. I made the five-hour round-trip drive from my home to the townhouse to pick up mail and pay the leftover bills. As the mail and bills eventually stopped there was no need for me to continue making the long drive. For over 13 years I intentionally kept the unit vacant mainly because I didn’t want to deal with tenants. I never received any invoices from the homeowner association saying I owed anything.
    Then last week I visited my unit but the locks were changed, and when I peeked through a window it looked occupied! The homeowner association’s manager said she thought the occupants were the new owners because they had been living there, paying the homeowner association fees, attending board meetings and voting. I asked if the association foreclosed on my unit and was told “No” but that the manager received a title change a few years ago
    My neighbors didn’t even bother to tell me or keep me apprised that squatters had taken over my property. I’ve since hired an attorney but shouldn’t someone have told me this?
    Answer: Squatting is a significant issue in California, where the law is relatively generous to people who live in homes they do not legally own. There were numerous reports of squatters taking over unoccupied, single-family homes in subdivisions hit hard by last decade’s housing bust. There also have been reports of squatting in upscale coastal communities, so it’s not entirely surprising that a condo unit you left vacant for years was taken over by squatters.
    Though it may seem odd that squatters have any rights to property you bought or inherited, the practice dates back hundreds of years in England, where unused or abandoned property was taken over by people willing to work it.
    As an owner, the onus is on you, not your neighbors, to maintain and take care of your property. Although it would have been nice to have the association contact you, they were certainly under no legal obligation to do so. It is also possible that they would have contacted you, or tried to contact you, but
    didn’t have your current contact information.
    For titleholders, one of the most important sections of the common interest development act is Civil Code section 5260. It requires homeowner associations to send certain notices at the request of titleholders to two different addresses that the owner provides. Unfortunately, the law didn't go into effect until January 2014, but even so, nothing prevented you from regularly updating the board with your current address information and monitoring your property's status with the association.
    Indeed, when you stopped receiving invoices for association dues, you were on notice that something was wrong. Why would you think that suddenly no dues were owed to the association? It was incumbent on you to make inquiries why you were not receiving association invoices or other communications related to your investment. Since these squatters took care of your association dues they must have seemed like legitimate owners from the perspective of your neighbors and the board of directors.
    As you have probably discussed with your attorney, it is possible that the individuals living in your property have acquired legitimate legal title through a process called “adverse possession,” which is described in the Code of Civil Procedure sections 315 to 329.5.
    In California, a “squatter,” that is, a person who occupies land without the right to do so, can gain possession of someone else’s property by openly occupying it for at least five years without interruption and acting the way a true owner would. In this situation, that means attending board meetings and paying dues.
    Although your case seems grim, there is also a requirement in California for adverse possessors to pay property taxes on the property during the continuous time they are living in it. If these individuals paid the property taxes on your property and after all this time you failed to investigate, then even a lawsuit may be unsuccessful.
    However, if the squatters failed to pay taxes on the property, then you may be able to file what is called a “quiet title” lawsuit to eject the inhabitants and update the property’s ownership records.
     
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  3. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I've heard about this happening out there. The neighbors likely were the ones that told the squatters that the place was vacant and that no one ever check on it. Screwed up situation for sure.
     
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  4. not4hire

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    "Adverse Possession" is still on the books in two provinces here, but it typically requires 10 years of uninterrupted use to be considered. There was a motion in the Alberta legislature earlier this year to have it struck.
     
  5. AModelCat

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    You're a lot nicer than me. If I found someone living in property I owned the door would be booted in and all their #### would be on the curb waiting for the garbage truck.
     
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  6. DoneYourWay

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    hopefully they failed to pay the property taxes and you can get your property back--check the county records (i think you can do it online) to see if it is paid current and best of luck
     
  7. sdaniel

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    Would have the crew waiting also! Back years ago , we moved a mid 70s Caddy by hand . Guy parked in the middle of a driveway. When he did show up , his car was sitting between a light pole and a 6x6 fence post dead center . About 3 inches to spare . Toted it about 15 feet sideways.
     
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  8. Big Don

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    @Chinatown, While I don't find this to be legitimate, (or right, as some would say,) neither do I find it to be a surprise. First off, it is in California.
    Second, and to me this is what amazes me, how in the world can you own a house and "just let it sit?" Between the HOA (which I despise and would never BUY anything that involved one,) dues, and the property taxes, I would think you would have done a bit of investigating to see what was going on. Neither the HOA, or the county treasurer are going to allow dues to acquire.
    After a period of time, (don't remember what it is now,) the county can foreclose on a property
    where several years of back taxes are owed. They have to publish, in the "newspaper of record," for the county, the properties, property owners, and amount owed. If no one comes forward after a certain length of time to pay the back taxes, it is now the property of the county, and they can indeed turn around and sell it.
    Needless to say, this happens very seldom. But it does happen.
    I can understand not wanting to rent it out. The land of fruits and nuts can be a nightmare for landlords. But if a person isn't going to rent out, or live in, at least part of the time, a house, why in the world don't they sell it?
    Please keep us posted on how this goes. I'd really like to know what happens with it.
     
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  9. Chinatown

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    I'm guessing they paid the property taxes and know the laws on how to get a free house in California. Don't understand why someone would inherit a nice home then basically abandon it for 13 years.
    Probably all states and HOA's can put a lien on a home if the property taxes or HOA fees aren't paid.
     
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  10. Chinatown

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    Some HOA's are a real PIA. Much depends on the management company and the people the homeowners elect to be HOA board members. The best HOA board members are homeowners that are also astute business people and business owners. They know how to efficiently run a company, thus run the HOA. Homeowners make the mistake of electing some friend with no business experience or someone that's power hungry and tries to run the HOA like it's their own private prison.
    I wanted an HOA this time when I bought a home, for the added security of a gated community. In fact, I'm in an HOA that's within another HOA and have two HOA fees monthly that total $214.00 per month. I'm about 10 or 15 minute drive to the Las Vegas Strip.
    They're really strict, but fair. For example, I was fined $500.00 for dog poop on my front lawn. Didn't have to pay it when I explained I don't have any pets at all. If I had a security camera they would know who to fine though because it had to be a someone in the neighborhood.
    Another policy the HOA has is if you want to paint anything on the exterior of your home,you first have to go to the office and choose a color from a color palette. This keeps the neighborhood in some semblence of order and not have some wild, outlandish colors scattered about.
    Some people just can't live with these types of rules, but I can. The homes are all Spanish style stucco 2-story homes with red tile roofs, so it's not difficult to comply with those rules.
    Follow the simple rules and don't park on the grass.
     
  11. Big Don

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    Unless, for some reason they were incapacitated. But even then, I'd think that someone would be responsible for caring for them, and their finances.
    This just doesn't make sense, at least with what we know about it.
    OBTW, when I first saw the thread, I took it to mean that you were the one this happened to. And I really found it incredibly hard to believe that you, of all people, would allow it to happen!
     
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