Vdo road loger

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by Hulld, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    so I have been looking at elds and kind of liked the simplicity of the vdo road loger for a one man one truck operation.
    But here's what I found out thru my research.
    Everything thing about it seems to be acceptable but the back office software.
    When you download from the driver key the information is downloaded to your office computer.
    No problem right?
    Except you have to set up a cloud account and the info is also stored on the cloud on an internet server.
    Now the regulation states as far as I know that you are required to keep the previous 6 months logs at the office.
    Well on the cloud it stores all the log information indefinitely until the end of time.
    Why would this be when this is not the required regulation.
    And who over time can gain access to the indefinite log information on the cloud?
    My bet is in the future the dot will audit electronically by accessing the information stored on the internet.
    I want my log info kept at my office only and I will keep the last six months only as required by law.
     
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  3. Studebaker Hawk

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    The JJ Keller system works exactly the same way. All of the data is transmitted to them first via the app that gathers the data from the black box and the device the driver is using, then onto our safety dept. I am sure that this question has come up. I am guessing here, but just because data is out there that is older than 6 months, if the DOT were to somehow get a hold of it, it would be "inadmissible" in any regulatory action they might try to take against you. I would also bet that you have to have access to the data, not necessarily "in the office". These are legal documents and as such they belong to you, Likely just a secure as the banking you do online etc.
    This is a brave new world with many unanswered questions. The VDO system is the most common system used in Europe, and they have been in the business far longer than anyone here.
     
  4. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    They have been digital (without gps tracking) since 06.
     
  5. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    Just like banking records they are only secure from the general population.
    Now electronic dot or bank information can be made available to any governmental agency simply by a subpoena issued by a judge.
    If the subpoena is issued for electronic kept info they can get a life time record of info from the cloud.
    If the info was only kept at the office a subpoena would only net them the last six months as prescribed by dot regulation.

    In one of my other bussness we do state motor vehicle inspections.
    The inspection records were kept at the shop and about every six months a motor vehicle representative would come to the shop and audit the records.
    About seven years ago we were forced by the state to buy an elctronic inspection machine with a dedicated internet line hooked to the main frame at the state capital.
    Now you rarely see a motor vehicle representative because the whole audit process is done electronicly.
    They pull the records information usually during the shop off hours and it is run thru software that can identify and flag information that might be a problem.
    The next morning when the state officials arrive at work there is a list generated waiting for them of who to go visit and why.
    I don't think it is far fetched to believe the dot is headed toward using this same technology.
     
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  6. Studebaker Hawk

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    It is already in place. Buried in the 762 page ELD document that was published in the Federal register are the electronic standards of how the ELD communicates with "law enforcement and other entities". Up to now the current EOBR's all used proprietary systems for communication. The ELD is a single standard, which is why the FMCSA is so eager to get the current EOBR's onto the ELD standard, in addition to having to be able to audit almost all trucks and drivers with very little effort. It is the very definition of big brother.
    In short, exactly like your experience with state inspection records, electronic transmission instead of a personal visit is going to happen. And when the FMCSA calls for the files, they will just feed them through an algorithm in their software and find the problems, too many edits, too much personal conveyance, short pre trip times etc. You will just get a fine in the mail, no recourse.
    To answer to original question. VDO is just doing what all the manufacturers are required to do. And just like all the other "rights" that drivers and companies have surrendered, there is little you can do about it except leave the business. Public safety has been deemed more important than personal driver freedom.
    I am glad I am 64 years old.
     
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  7. Hulld

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    The way I interpret the regulation is the eld on the truck must be able to electronicly transfer the information to law enforcement.
    I don't believe at this point there is a regulation that states the records at your office and on the cloud must be capable of electronic transfer to law enforcement.
    But I do believe this is where they are headed.
     
  8. bowhunter67

    bowhunter67 Light Load Member

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    But with the vdo road log you can print your logs on site of inspection without having to send it via electronic transfer
     
  9. bowhunter67

    bowhunter67 Light Load Member

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    This is one of the reasons I ordered the vdo plus,And they are already getting harder to come by where I am located it is two weeks out from when I put in my order for it.
     
  10. Studebaker Hawk

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    According to the JJ Keller representatives who installed and trained our initial group of drivers:
    1. Most states do not allow the officer to touch the device. The driver must be able to manipulate it in front of the officer to answer an HOS related questions. That is why he must have the instruction card and spare blank logs in his possession. With 35+ different systems out there and more coming, there is no hope that law enforcement is going to attempt to master any of them. The GA State Patrol officer who did an inspection with my JJ Keller tablet treated it as if it were a rattle snake.
    2. they cannot ask for logs to be emailed or transmitted to them unless they are willing to wait the required 48 hours without detaining the driver. The Keller system at this point cannot email logs in less than 24 hours. And the data they get at the driver level does not include edits for example. What happens in the field vs what will happen at an FMCSA audit are 2 different levels.
     
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  11. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    That's funny how that Georgia state trooper handled your ELD.
    That's exactly how we have felt dealing with law enforcement for years.
    I wonder how they like the shoe on the other foot lol !
     
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