Seems to me they'd develop somewhat of a reputation among various LEAs as the trucking company version of "the boy who cried wolf", and that should try a cop's patience in short order. It certainly would if I were one. LEO's are not messenger boys.
K&B TRANSPORTATION (S. SIOUX CITY, IA)
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Well, to speak on DOT, in my time at K&B, their Prepass was set to 100% by DOT every other month. It is not uncommon to get a message from their Safety guy begging drivers to stop getting tickets and getting into accidents because "we are only a few more incidents away from having our Prepass set to 100% Pull-In for the following month". So...DOT is aware. These guys are targeted, especially in WIsconsin. They send messages telling drivers what specific states they should NOT use the Line-5 trick in because they get caught too often (these people don't understand that DOT goes back 7 days at least). That's a whole new hassle in itself. I got pulled in for inspections 3 times (various inspection levels) with this company, that's a lot for me. Passed them all. Still a pain.
In the end, Tyson simply pays them enough to push them to take these kinds of chances. I hear figures of upwards of $2.50 per Mile. Just hearsay though, I've seen no paperwork.Last edited: Feb 12, 2016
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So they knowingly send electronic msgs stating to not only to break the laws but lie about it too... Sorry k&b is trash always has been and always will!Canned Spam Thanks this.
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dam, my company ticks me off but have gotten yelled at for driving when I was tired.Had a break just could not sleep.And in bad conditions got yelled at for that "should have shut it down roads were to bad" it was snow! Think I will just stay here.
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Some companies see it as a liability to have their trucks rolling in dangerous conditions and don't want to risk it for the possible profit. Others are willing to push that extra miles to keep rolling in inclement weather and under fatigue in order to squeeze out as many miles as possible, willing to risk the occasional incident. Just how it goes. All about that bottom line.
I'm not against them at all for wanting to make money. There's no other reason to put so much risk into a business. However, K&B's particular business model is a bit too "Outlaw-ish" for my tastes, especially given how much of a bad reputation they have and how often they get pulled into scales. Again, there are entire states (like Wisconsin) that they flat out tell you not to use Line-5 in because K&B's trucks are targeted there for being known to illegally use Line-5. And, again, they don't get that DOT goes back an entire week.
It's a headache. You've got bills to pay. You've DOT up your ***. And you're constantly having to fight your company to stay legal. It became too much. Calling the truckstop I'm parked at telling them you're worried about me and asking them to come knock on my door to "check on me" because you want me to roll at 10Hrs break end, no matter what. 3 of that 10 hours was in a dock door at a receiver then Line 5 drove 40 miles down the road to a truckstop to MAYBE find parking. Nah.Last edited: Feb 19, 2016
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yep. a week or so ago, they actually called me, and WOKE ME UP, to get a temp check on the reefer.
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K@b along with most meat hauling companies are Tyson's pissin post and when the mighty Tyson says poo poo time these outfits get right on their knees and say ahhhh...it was even worse before Tyson bought ibp , roasting my arse off tarping a load in 100 degree heat is preferable to bein a Tyson slave and Tyson can pound sand for I care .
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I currently work there. I question the shorting miles. With all the relays it's hard to keep track but in ten weeks the average from the hub reasonably matches my average pay miles. I thought I must being shorted to work so hard for so few miles but it's actually the dock time. Otherwise I would largely agree with the negatives.
That said compliance is your responsibility. The first time they tried to use 6 in dock as 6 if my 10 I refused and they accepted. I started logging onduty at the end of loading so thats not a possibility any more. There are only a few gaps in hrs allowing fatigued driving. Back to back 10's is the biggest. The rest us due to not properly logging time.
I found slowing down to 62 so I could use cruise greatly reduced fatigue. One compliant I had was time wasted in the dock from being instructed to arrive 2 hours early. Turns out its only an hour early at 62, particularly obeying them speed limits.
There seems a group think they have to have you rolling in 10 and run out the clock to maximize utilization. The result is running out of hours and sitting for a day. That causes the biggest problem for drivers. You trim those onduty hours and your ### gets run into the ground for 2500 miles.
The real problem seems to be management. It seems mainly 2 guys running it, the head of safety and the guy doing payroll. The dispatchers are judged on utilization. There is where the problem lies. The dispatchers pushes you for their personal benefit, not company policy. -
I hate to break it to all it is not just K&B, it is trucking biz that is built in such a way that you just cannot be legal and make any kind of money, everybody knows that, DOT knows that. I've been on E logs for 6 years, so I did nothing crazy and I liked that, and yet almost every other day I was breaking the law few truckers can keep by logging off duty/sleeper birth while being unloaded/loaded, backing, moving around the yard because alternative was... making genuinely fast food wages while spending less than a few hours per week at home.
So if you will get E-log that kicks in as soon as you move a truck a few yards - my advice quit as soon as you find that out. Funny that my former rather big and well known company implemented E-log cheat (kicks in after driving for 1 mile above 10mph) without any problems with the law because it would mean the end of trucking biz as we know it since it's built on our drivers backs and risk . Government and DOT know that well but they want goods moving, profits made, closing their eyes on a small work around of obviously unrealistic laws is a small price to pay, the wolves need their sheep too after all, but as always drivers are left holding a bag of worms if crap hits the fan.Toomanybikes and Canned Spam Thank this. -
Several years ago I was selling Great Dane trailers and called on Brock Ackerman who was running the company with his brother.
He proceeded to tell me about hid driver problems. This is how he described a truck driver. If you take a handful of #### and roll it in your hands and pat it and form it when you put it down it's still a pile of ####. That's what he compared drivers to. Ill never forget that.
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