Swapping front axle 1968 Ford N950

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  1. IPTYDFUL

    IPTYDFUL Bobtail Member

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    I've got an old truck that's heavy duty double frame and the whole works. The problem is it only has an 11000 pound front axle and I would like to swap it. All that I have seen seems to indicate it's all about Center to Center spring centers. I don't remember off hand what that actual measurement is but I have quite a few other trucks and nothing matches that. Is that width a manufacturer thing or is that a model thing? If I can find the same Center to Center is it just unbolting and bolting up the new one? I'm not worried about the steering box because I can fabricate or have someone else fabricate me the linkage. I am not sure about double steering boxes though. Seems like that would be more difficult. I am looking for 12 to 16 thousand pound front axle. I don't remember the spring width (each spring) offhand but it is the same as another truck I have that has a 16000 pound front axle.

    Also I think all truck frames are 34 inch wide. Can I take one of my parts trucks and just take the whole front axle Springs and hangers and put it on that one?
     
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  3. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    If it fits you could probably swap the whole assembly. I'd be wary of drilling too many holes up front though so I'd make sure its a direct bolt on. Might want to check the regulations in regards to the twin steering boxes though. Depending on the weight rating they might make you install a 2nd box or a hydraulic assist cylinder.
     
  4. fuller

    fuller Light Load Member

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    I think double steering boxes start at possibly 16,000#, but for sure at 18,000#.

    My 18,000# front has double boxes. However, I don't know if these are mandated by "law," or simply something the manufacturer decides to implement.

    I don't think the spring eye to eye's changed, nor the width, at least with Kenworth. Essentially the only difference would be the pack thickness/number of leafs..
     
  5. IPTYDFUL

    IPTYDFUL Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the quick replies. That's good to know that Kenworth remained the same. The truck is a 1968 Ford N950. I would have to check the L model Fords, as they replaced the N model.

    The problem that I am seeing with any of this is that the front end is so short that I can not use the original linkage from the (single or) Dual boxes to the axle.

    If I did use a heavy axle with dual steering boxes, I'm thinking that someone coulld fabricate me an adjustable linkage similar to how a tie rod adjusts. is there any kind of special procedure for setting up/ synchronizing those dual boxes or do you just put them on like a single box?
     
  6. fuller

    fuller Light Load Member

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    My slave box seems goes along for the ride, so it seems there is no "synching" necessary.

    Since there is only one input (the Master box), the other (slave box) follows.

    Unless there is some sort of suspension/steer component non-compatibility, I don't see why it cannot work.
     
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    OLDSKOOLERnWV Captain Redbeard

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    rabbiporkchop Thanks this.
  8. IPTYDFUL

    IPTYDFUL Bobtail Member

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    Thx fuller. That was a good part of my concern.

    We'll have to see what kind of situation I can find to put under there.
     
  9. FoolsErrand

    FoolsErrand Road Train Member

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    Are you saying spring center widths as in the center locating bolt along the packs front to back, or the placement of the packs widthwise in the chassis?

    Pretty sure frames are all about 33" standard width. Im thinking this is a case of either finding leaf packs with the right center bolt location or building spring hangers to inboard or outboard them to the right spacing width wise.


    Have you ever scaled this truck with a load? Are you over on the front rating?

    Im fairly confident twin boxes are a manufacturer decision and id bet they can be a pain to set up. Its fairly easy to drill and tap a box for power assist to run a cylinder. In rockcrawlers that amounts to pinky steering if you get it right. Dampens wobble pretty good too.
     
  10. IPTYDFUL

    IPTYDFUL Bobtail Member

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    The axle that has the right spring center to spring center would be easiest. I could just swap the axle then. I have not measured shackle to shackle (frame width- which I think is almost universal), but all of my other trucks and spring/axle sets have longer springs, which would require drilling and centering.

    Someone else mentioned power assist also. How does that work and where would I find such a thing? I have an f800 dump truck that has a cylinder for power assist that attaches to the axle itself. Is it something like that?
     
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