Black stuff in fuel filters

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by droy, Nov 16, 2008.

  1. outlaw60

    outlaw60 Bobtail Member

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    8)Good Info, thanks for sharing!
     
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  3. droy

    droy Heavy Load Member

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    Had another FREAKING filter plug up on me today!
    While climbing the Fred Hartman in Houston/Pasadena, of all places.:biggrin_25510:


    Bobcat 1958;
    Thanks for the info, lots of reading there to digest. Can't say that I agree with everything, but then I am certainly no diesel fuel expert.
    My "black stuff" suddenly appeared about a month ago. I really felt like I was throwing away good filters prior to that; ABSOLUTELY no problems.

    (1) Even though, as you stated, old fuel IS left in the truck tanks, I normally fuel on a daily basis when traveling, and because I have not had this problem before, I don't believe the small amount of old fuel is the cause.

    (2) To my knowledge, nothing has changed on my truck that would lead me to suspect biological water entering the fuel system through condensation, or the vents.

    (3) I will concur your statement about algae not existing in diesel tanks; I used the term because I did not know the correct name , algae, bacteria, or fungus, and yes, I have heard people use all three, probably incorrectly.
    You mentioned that bacteria feeds on sulfur, among other things, while I have read, more than once, that the absence of sulfur is one of the reasons we have this new problem.

    (4) While I did not have a "diagnosis of algae", I attempted to contact a friend who runs a family owned bulk plant, and fleet of delivery trucks. His brother had informed me that the "plant trucks" had the same problem some time back. I spoke to his secretary explaining my "black stuff" problem, and asked her to relay the message; two days later, the brother called me from his workplace, (which is near my home) saying he had a jug of treatment for the black stuff. It appeared to have worked....maybe.

    You stated, Quote [It is imperative to determine if a fuel problem is biological or chemical based.] End quote.
    I ask, other than cost, is there any problem in treating for both conditions?
    Replacing the fuel filters has been a costly, and frustrating ordeal, and I'd like to end this aggravation.

    Once again, thanks for your input.
     
  4. DDS

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    Is it your primary or secondary you keep having problems with?
     
  5. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

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    I started having black stuff stopping up filters all of a sudden on the last International I had. It turned out to be the inside of the fuel lines breaking down.

    I replaced all fuel lines and never had a problem again.
     
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  6. droy

    droy Heavy Load Member

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    The fuel/water separator (#175-2949) that is mounted near my battery box, doesn't catch this stuff, it just passes thru, and gets trapped in the 1R-0749 (primary?) that is bolted to the motor. Fuel temp wire plugs to this filter housing.

    Those are Cat #s, and the three W900s I have owned all had the filters mounted in the same place.
     
  7. DDS

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    The 1R0749 is a 2 micron filter, the stuff you have does sound like something growing in your fuel. the primary would pick up the bigger stuff, Its a 10 micron I beleive. I have seen this problem before, The airport uses bio diesel. They have to change the filters on their fuel pumps every 10 hours due to the crap in the tanks. A generator I worked on for low power was just plugged filters.
     
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  8. Yogibear

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    look real close at the black stuff you can also have a fuel line coming apart on you. will usally look like little black sand.
     
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  9. eighteenspdjammer

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    The most common reason for this growing problem is the use of poor so-called biodiesel. The pump may not even be labeled but the unscrupulous fuel supplier who in these days of high crude oil prices is cutting his petroleum fuel with cooking grease,animal renderings and other stuff that can be collected cheap.

    Real biodiesel is made from plant seed oil that is purified go to wikipedia or google biodiesel, but some people think that anything from veggie oil to animal fats make the same stuff and it ain't so.

    Poor biodiesel causes biological growth. The bacteria live in the water at the interface between the water the diesel and eat off the biodiesel.

    You get the black slimy stuff in your fuel filters and somebody sold you some bad biodiesel whether the pump was labeled or not.
     
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  10. pullingtrucker

    pullingtrucker Road Train Member

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    I agree with eightennspeedjammer. You probably got some bad biodiesel. I had a problem pretty close to what you describe about 2 years ago. It took me about 6 months to treating to finally get rid of it. Good luck and "shock" the heck out of the tanks for the first few treatments.
     
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  11. cat from the valley

    cat from the valley Medium Load Member

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    i normally see a little black in the secondarry i just associate it wit the metal components in the fuel pump, wear and tear:biggrin_2554: we use loads of various fuel down here, once we even used kerosene we smelt like lamps
     
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