Air Shift PTO

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  1. Oxbow

    Oxbow Road Train Member

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    We have two trucks that have wet kits on them. One we installed ourselves, and the other had the kit on since it was new. The one that we installed requires air to engage it, and the other requires air to disengage. They both work fine, but on these cold mornings the one that requires the air to be built up in order to disengage puts a load on the engine immediately until the air pressure builds up.
    I really don't like putting any load on a cold engine, so I just hold the clutch in until the air builds up.
    Was this done so that one would be warming up the hydraulic oil with the engine?
     
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    Reason for edit: Sorry, posted this in the wrong section. Please feel free to move to the Garage Section.
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  3. Hulld

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    Not sure why one was plumbed that way but also remember when you hold the clutch down you are putting a lot of force on the thrust bearings on the crank shaft.
    Not sure if this is detrimental to the thrust bearings of a cold engine or not?
     
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    Any idea what pto units you have on there? I think its strange someone would want air to release the pto, in my opinion
     
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  5. Oxbow

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    I believe the one that we put on is a Chelsea. I'll have to look at the other. It is on the 2000 KW that I bought this year, and has had a Reliance transfer dump bed on it since it was new. Reliance may have been the original installer.
     
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  6. Oxbow

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    I should be able to just change out the air shift portion I suppose. It would be bad to have a leak in the line while going down the road, and have the PTO try to engage.
     
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    Well that's exactly what I was thinking too. I can't think of any real advantage. Be bad to have it try to engage at road speed.

    Only thing similar to that idea would be like a constant mesh option, but that's not shiftable. Those are for trucks that need live hydraulics like a snowplow or fire truck.

    I wonder how it's plumbed? Is it the shifter mechanism or perhaps they have the air plumbed into something like a kysor switch?
     
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  8. Oxbow

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    I'm not sure. I'll have to investigate a bit.
     
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    I have never seen a transmission PTO that used air to disengage and defaults to engage, I think the air solenoid is mounted backwards.
     
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    I'm trying to wrap my mind around this and how the air solenoid operates, because it functions perfectly as is, and the switch in the cab is plumbed accordingly. I guess the air switch itself must have a spring inside which would normally disengage the PTO gear box, and if the mounting is such that it can be mounted the opposite direction and still engage the PTO correctly then perhaps it is possible. It has to be more than just having the air line plumbed correctly (I think).
    Thanks for the help!
     
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    Wonder if it's an air solenoid activating a lever?
    If the lever was removed and reattached in the opposite position it would reverse the way the air solenoid activates and deactivates the pto.
    I have seen this before with Manuel ptos when some one puts the lever on upside down and every thing is backwards.
     
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