Worked Dead Man shift for a bail bond company in a large southern state, and would catch breakfast before heading home. Usually a group or two of cops were eating there as well, talking about what had happened that night. I was shocked to hear at different times over six years admission of, drug placement during a search, tuning up a person for there different preferences,or the old I took him to the back of the car "uncuffed" pinned him down on the trunk shouted "stop resiting stop resisting" and beat him to a pulp. If you allow a cop in your car or truck other than DOT you are asking for trouble. If they get a warrant there shift supervisor or dog does the search. If you give permission to search to a bad cop its over, if he wants it to be. At time of stop noticed white powdery substance on shirt or nostrils witch led to probable cause. Pull you out of car/ truck place in custody, put placeable evidence in there closed hand, reach into any compartment in car or truck with closed hand drop in compartment "possession". in process of testing substance rub a little on there finger then brush on your shirt. There chem test shows you had it in possession and on your shirt as well . Case closed your doing time, usually 14- 20 is offered because an innocent man has nothing to hide? If they ask you out of the truck / car open door, roll window up, and lock door. If they question why you did say its the only habit you have and don't open it unless a warrant is present with a shift supervisor depending on state. Don't believe a word i say, go sit a table or two away from a group of cops working night shift blowing off steam.
Nefram
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sure there are bad apples but there is in any proffesion to even try to act like all cops are bad just shows how comepletly stupid you are and i for 1 take offense to you trying to treat me like i am that stupid to believe it.as far as profiling there are certain crimes that certain races commit more and times when profiling is just.times when it is not.sorry but if you are looking for a terroist with a bomb an middle eastern is it,crack a black ,meth a white it is just the way life is.if you have nothing to hide be cooperative and get back on your way faster.if you take that jackarse attitude guess what do not be surprised when you get it back.
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GAH!
I would love to comment on your post, but, truth be told, I can't read past the first little bit before becoming lost. Please, use some punctuation. Not only will it make your posts easier to read, but it will add a little credibility to statements like, "shows how comepletly [sic] stupid you are". -
[[DROY-If statistics prove a certain crime, such as the transportation of illegal substances, is committed by a certain race of people 75% of the time, is it racial profiling to check that race of people 75% more than other races? Should law enforcement agencies be required to keep a running total, to insure we do not infringe on some peoples rights, halting any checks on that race of people until a balance is attained?
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shredfit1 said: ↑Ponder this....
If a certain race IS considered to be more likely to commit a certain crime(ie. transportation of illegal substances) say, 75% of the time... Therefore, this particular race is scrutinized/checked at least 75% more than another race... Isn't it reasonable to assume, that there will be a greater number of arrests/convictions of the greatly scrutinized race... skewing a statistcal trend toward a conclusion that the scrutinized race IS arrested and convicted more therefore, that particular race MUST commit more crime and be profiled accordingly?
I feel you are putting the cart before the horse!
Still using the illegal trafficking scenario, What if you, as an LEO, made 100 stops a month, of suspect vehicles, and traffic violations, all different races of people, and of those stops, you segregated the ones that turned into an arrest for trafficking, and found that 75% of them were committed by one certain race, on a continual basis, month after month, wouldn't that give you justifiable cause to scrutinize people of that race just a little closer, when initiating a traffic stop?
Excluding Socio-Econmic status, I think every race has about the same propensity for any given crimminal act.... Racial profiling, just skews arrests/convictions in the direction of a particular race, and keeps that race there, simply because they have a greater likelihood of getting arrested and convicted.Click to expand...
I totally 100% disagree! There are certain races who do not seem to place a lot of emphasis on "earning their keep" (for lack of a better phrase), and would instead prefer to receive that handout from the government. The ones that want to work seem to prefer selling drugs to flipping burgers.
I find your statement about racial profiling keeping that race in a better likelihood of getting arrested and convicted utter nonsense. It is very hard to be arrested for a crime if you are innocent. Would you try to have me believe that the majority of arrests are not justified?Joetro Thanks this. -
Faber said: ↑<<FABER----Yes it is racial profiling to check only one color people the majority of the time....even if they tend to be more apt. to commit that type of crime. Would you like to get pulled over for 'weaving' or some other B.S. because the majority of the people of your race 'supposedly' traffic drugs ...every single time you go out of state in your car?">>
If you want to call it that, fine, but why not focus on curbing the crime by checking the people more likely to be perps, rather than focus on this politically correct thing of equal checks for everyone. Kinda like watching the old folks homes for meth labs, eh?
[[DROY--God forbid, but if someone broke into your grandmother's home, robbing, raping, then beating her to death, and a eye witness saw the perp, who happened to be a particular race, do you stop the search at a point to prevent racial profiling?]
<<FABER---What?....Why would they stop a search once there was an eye witness....now your just reaching.>>
Yes, just reaching, but trying to prove a point about how this racial profiling thing can hinder the outcome.
[[DROY--I look at racial profiling as another loophole for scumbag lawyers to get their criminal customers back out on the street. An innocent person has no reason to be concerned. I also think that the amount of LEOs that abuse their authority is way smaller than people think.]]
<<FABER----I agree there are to many loopholes that allow scum back on the street, and is proably one of them. As far as the number of leo's that abuse authrity, I'd agree also....this is the only pargraph we agree on.>>
[[DROY--OFFICIAL DISCLAIMER: I am NOT, nor is anyone in my family an LEO. I just happen to like the idea of "law and order".... (has a nice sound to it, don't you think?)I did read your statement, several times matter of fact, and also disagree with this one; only one word, actually. You say racial profiling is sadly unnecessary, I think also sadly, that it IS necessary, and often, the race of people that cry the loudest about racial profiling are the reason why it is needed.]
<<FABER----I'm not leo, I just have a degree in it having spent hours and hours in classrooms taught by cops, negotiation officers, a DA, with undercover drug officers, and life long friends both cop and in corrections.
And if you read my statement I said, 'sad unessacary fact of life.'Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand... -
well, i would guess that we'll just have to agree to mostly disagree, yet partially agree....ah, maybe we'll both ponder a different view....such is the beauty of a discussion forum.
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Good discussion, I hope you think the same, even though you didn't win... If I didn't convince you over to my side, I guess I didn't win either... LOLFaber said: ↑well, i would guess that we'll just have to agree to mostly disagree, yet partially agree....ah, maybe we'll both ponder a different view....such is the beauty of a discussion forum.Click to expand...
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The key word your using here is "Segregate" or separating a particular crime suspect due to race. Is it possible, that the crime(illegal trafficking) only appears to be directly correlated to race? Is it also possible that the said crime could show a greater correlation to socio-econmic status independent of race?droy said: ↑I feel you are putting the cart before the horse!
Still using the illegal trafficking scenario, What if you, as an LEO, made 100 stops a month, of suspect vehicles, and traffic violations, all different races of people, and of those stops, you segregated the ones that turned into an arrest for trafficking, and found that 75% of them were committed by one certain race, on a continual basis, month after month, wouldn't that give you justifiable cause to scrutinize people of that race just a little closer, when initiating a traffic stop?Click to expand...
Yeah, I guess we do disagree. I've also known quite a few trust fund idlers too... It's the same concept, just a different socio-economic status. Again, some of these trust funders that want to work, dump investors by disolving corporations with the sole purpose of getting the investment capital(happens all the time, it's called fraud and is a crime). It's just LEO's don't pull them over and arrest them for these crimes. (Trailer park/Meth... Crack/Inner city housing projects...see a pattern?)droy said: ↑I totally 100% disagree! There are certain races who do not seem to place a lot of emphasis on "earning their keep" (for lack of a better phrase), and would instead prefer to receive that handout from the government. The ones that want to work seem to prefer selling drugs to flipping burgers.
I find your statement about racial profiling keeping that race in a better likelihood of getting arrested and convicted utter nonsense. It is very hard to be arrested for a crime if you are innocent. Would you try to have me believe that the majority of arrests are not justified?Click to expand...
Crimes may change with socio-econmic status but they are crimes nevertheless.
Peace
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All I can say is wownefram said: ↑Worked Dead Man shift for a bail bond company in a large southern state, and would catch breakfast before heading home. Usually a group or two of cops were eating there as well, talking about what had happened that night. I was shocked to hear at different times over six years admission of, drug placement during a search, tuning up a person for there different preferences,or the old I took him to the back of the car "uncuffed" pinned him down on the trunk shouted "stop resiting stop resisting" and beat him to a pulp. If you allow a cop in your car or truck other than DOT you are asking for trouble. If they get a warrant there shift supervisor or dog does the search. If you give permission to search to a bad cop its over, if he wants it to be. At time of stop noticed white powdery substance on shirt or nostrils witch led to probable cause. Pull you out of car/ truck place in custody, put placeable evidence in there closed hand, reach into any compartment in car or truck with closed hand drop in compartment "possession". in process of testing substance rub a little on there finger then brush on your shirt. There chem test shows you had it in possession and on your shirt as well . Case closed your doing time, usually 14- 20 is offered because an innocent man has nothing to hide? If they ask you out of the truck / car open door, roll window up, and lock door. If they question why you did say its the only habit you have and don't open it unless a warrant is present with a shift supervisor depending on state. Don't believe a word i say, go sit a table or two away from a group of cops working night shift blowing off steam.
NeframClick to expand...
I did work for a a racist black cop once, against his own race
He said all cops become racist, I guess depending on the part of town
This and the quoted post shows why the burn out rate is so highFaber Thanks this.
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