Ultra Low Sulfur Fuel

I've got an ISX powered '08 Pete company truck that I've put a 115,000 miles on and routinely run LSD fuel through it without any problems. When I stop at redlights I do notice the DPF doing burns for a few seconds after running a tank of it through there but the truck runs just fine on it. I try to get ULSD whenever possible but our only fuel stops are Pilots and some of them are LSD only. Like somebody else said some locations where they have 2 Pilots at the same exit one will sell LSD and the other ULSD and a few of these locations our company fuel cards are only turned on for the LSD station. Our terminal fuel is LSD. We've got about 50 cummins powered '08 trucks and the head of maintinence said it hasn't been an issue.

Now with the ISB Cummins powered Dodge and Sterling trucks 2500, 3500, 4500 and 5500 running LSD through those engines will ruin the DPF and put the truck in limp mode. But those engines are already 2010 emissions regs compliant and not the same as larger class diesels.

 

Using higher sulfur fuel will not damage the engine itself. It is not going to tear up the pistons or the rings or the heads muchless the bottom end of the engine. Who ever made that up knows nothing about engines. Now the emission system may fail and it may have an effect on the fuel system but it will not damage the engine itself.

 

no but it does clog the dpf, causing higher back pressure, causing problems with the turbos, causing the motor to work harder to pull the load, and does VOID the warrenty on CAT engines. My company will not fuel at pilot due to their mislabling of pumps and lsd being sold as ulsd, which did void the warrenty, and did cause excessive wear on the engine. now pilot is paying for 2 new cat engines.

 

I'm sorry, but the fact that we're even having to have this discussion pisses me off. I must get on my soap box for a minute, even though I realize it's too late to make this case.

The constitution does NOT give any authority to the federal government to regulate how we use our natural resources or our environment. While I'll concede that some level of regulation is necessary in this day and age to protect the public, I'm totally against the idea of the unconstitutional EPA, which is an agency of unelected bureaucrats, dictating what we will produce and sell in the name of protection.

I say, if any damages are incurred to these new engines, the drivers and companies affected should file a class action law suit against the federal government. They are the ones to blame, not the drivers, who now have one more issue to worry about. I know it's probably not that hard to find ULSD pumps, I just believe it's an unnecessary and ridiculous new issue.

During the debates, I heard Obama state that it's wrong for the government to mandate change and requirements and NOT provide the funding to accomplish said changes. He was talking about public education. Well, my question is, how much money did the government provide to the producers and refiners who have had to re-tool in order to produce this new fuel? How much money was provided to the distributors who can't store ULSD fuel where LSD fuel was stored? How much money was provided to the Pilot's of the world who now have to provide new storage tanks to house it? How much money was provided to the engine manufacturers who had to research and produce a new engine that was not requested by the market, but rather by the bureaucrats? And I'm talking about something more substantive than tax breaks.

Thanks for letting me blow off some steam (which is totally environmentally friendly, unlike evil diesel), and I apologize, as I know this isn't what this thread topic is about. Just the fact that we have to ask these questions bothers me. Thanks for "looking out for us" big brother.

Andrew

 

I agree with the sentiment. Let's not forget to mention loss of fuel economy and the increased dependence on foreign oil as a result with this less efficient, lower BTU's ULSD fuel.

 

It costs more to produce, which equals a higher price at the pump. It's less efficient, which means more trips to the higher priced pumps. And, I've read that the newer fuel has caused a lot of pre 07 model trucks to break down and clog fuel filters, costing companies and O/O's more. I think I'm becoming a libertarian, too.

Anyway, I'd have a hard time adjusting to Florida too, after the beauty of the Pacific Northwest. Florida is beautiful as well, especially this time of year, but it's a different beauty. Personally, I can't think of too many states w/ more natural beauty than Oregon. To each his own.

 

Pilot has a page on their site that shows their LSD truck stops. When you get to the site you can also click to see ULSD or a combination.


I have an 06 Detroit so I prefer LSD; Pilot has my business until 1Dec2010 anyway.

 

I've seen managers swear up and down a product was something it wasn't. They'd argue with me and it's in my truck. I know what I load it's all over the paperwork. So I would go by what's on the side of the pump. They can and do get fines for not having the right labels on the pump so I would think if the pump has a new sticker and the receipt shows ULSD then that's what you're getting. I'd hold on to a copy of those receipts too so you'd have something to show the company what kind of diesel you have put in the truck.

 

I have had to use the pumps for pick ups before because the other pumps did not sell ULSD. LSD will not hurt the engine at all. I have used LSD in a truck designed for ULSD before. I had no problems with the way the engine ran.

Turning an engine down to a lower speed limit will not void the warrenty. The trucks have the ecm calibrated for them when they get the trucks from the manufacturer. You would be suprised to know that some major trucking companies have warrenty programs designed specifically just for them. They want certain parts to be warrentied to a certain mileage and they can do that. They just might have to pay a little more for it.