CB radio operators are REQUIRED to USE FCC-certified, 4 watt, 40 channel radios. Period. These radios have a sticker on the side or the back with an FCC certification number that authorizes their use. The "export" radios are ILLEGAL because:
1. They are NOT certified for use on CB frequencies.
a. they exceed the 4 watt output power limit.
b. they are easily modified to be used for 10, 11, and 12 Meters.
c. No CB radio may be modifed or changed in ANY way and meet
FCC regulations.
2. They are classified as "dual-use" radios even they are labeled as
'amateur' radios---which they are NOT. NO radio may be certified to
operate more than ONE radio service at the same time when one or
more of the services involves the Amateur or CB radio service.
3. They are not now, nor will they EVER approved for CB use.
There is NOTHING that can be done to permit the use of so-called "export" or "10 Meter" radios in the CB service. There is nothing that will permit the use of ANY radio other than an a CERTIFIED FCC-approved CB radio with 40 channels on CB. Sure, you might get away with it for a time, but should you EVER be caught USING a so-called "10 Meter" radio such as a Connex or a Galaxy either ON CB or "bootlegging' on the actual 10/12 Meter bands, the fines can range up to $18,000 PER incident + seizure of the equipment! One may certainly study for the amateur radio license, but we must remember that these are TWO DIFFERENT RADIO SERVICES WITH TWO DIFFERENT PURPOSES! IOW, CB radio is NOT amateur radio, and amateur radio is NOT CB (thank God!!!) CB radio is governed by Part 95, US Code and it outlines exactly what can be done with a CB and what must NOT be done. Just because "Bubba's Truck Stop and CB Shop" says it's OK, it doesn't mean it IS OK! Amateur radio is designed to be the TRUE "hobby" radio and not CB, which is a Land mobile service. In fact, CB radio was created when 11 Meters was carved OUT of the amateur service to form a personal radio service in 1958. The best thing one can do is to READ PART 95 to learn what CAN and CANNOT be done. I think you'd be surprised!
Federal regulations are based on the USE of the radio, not the mere possession of the equipment. You can also "own" a police radio, or a fire service radio, an aviation band radio, or a marine band radio. It is when you TRANSMIT with it that you violate the law! All radio transmitters are required to be used within the regulations that govern that service (broadcast, police, fire, marine, aviation, amateur, and CB, etc). Once you go OUTSIDE that USE, you subject yourself to fines or seizure----even JAIL. AND! Make NO mistake!!! Some people HAVE served time for illegal transmitting without a license! (See "FCC and 'Rabbit Ears'") Not to mention HUGE fines that have been posted here! It is REAL and it CAN happen to YOU! That is part of the problem with the license-less CB service: it is TOO unregulated and people treat it like an appliance because you can just grab one off the shelf, slap on an antenna, and start talking with it without EVER reading PART 95 or ever realizing that the consequences of their actions can get them into serious trouble. IOW, CB is not taken seriously enough and people simply think they can just do ANYTHING they want without regard to their actions. Believe THIS: THERE ARE *NO* EXTRA CHANNELS, NO SUCH THING AS A 'FREEBAND', NO ADDITIONAL "CHANNELS" THAT CAN BE USED *FOR FREE" OR WITHOUT A LICENSE OR AUTHORIZATION (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FRS OR MURS!!!!!
The same thing, unfortunately, takes place with amateur radio and it's now (IMHO) "dumbed down" testing rules where CBers, well accustomed to doing things the "CB" way, ignore the rules that apply to THAT service as well (Part 97) and memorize just enough of the test to "get by". They never actually LEARN the "meat" of the hobby; just enough to pass the test so they can "jabberjaw"----just like that CB they used to have. An example of this is, new 'hams' often think they can now use their "10 Meter" radio on the 10 Meter band (that IS legal) AND it now authorizes them to also use it on CB. IT DOES *NO* SUCH THING! Again, CB operators MUST use a legal, FCC-certified, 4 watt (and unmodified), 40 channel radio in order to be legal. A "10 METER" RADIO IS NOT LEGAL AND IT WILL NEVER BE AUTHORIZED ON 11 METERS. PERIOD!!!! A licensed amateur operator must obey the rules that govern CB as well! His "license" does NOT give him some special privileges he would not have with-OUT that license, so it doesn't mean that he can USE a 10 Meter radio on 11 meters! In fact, it will get him in MORE trouble that it would if he was NOT licensed because he is supposed to KNOW better! He is responsible to KNOW the rules of his service! If he operates on CB, he is to know Part 95 and OBEY it! If he operates on the amateur bands, he is to know Part 97 and OBEY it! NO exceptions!!!
I would strongly suggest READING Part 95 in order to learn what one may do ON CB!!!!! For those who have an actual INTEREST in LEARNING about radio, becoming MORE than an "appliance" operator, then browse google qrz and arrl. Then Google "amateur radio" to find out what "ham" radio can do for YOU! It is FAR more than a hobby, is FAR more technically advanced than CB (You can take a little hand-held talkie that will fit in your pocket and BLOW AWAY ANY CB, ANY 'BILLY BIG RIGGER', ANY LOUDMOUTH, WALK AWAY FROM ANYTHING CB RADIO HAS TO OFFER. He must, of course, remain on his OWN frequencies.
You can take that little 5 watt FM walkie talkie and EMBARASS the biggest "leenyar" on the yard!!!! CB radio is stuck in 1958 right where it started, it is ancient and outdated. Remember, too, that the TWO radio services serve TWO different purposes and one must remember to keep them apart from one another!!! Amateur radio is STRICTER and its members demand that other users adhere to the rules. Violators DO get reported by OTHER amateurs, it has something called the "Official Observer" program to promote rules compliance, and this is what keeps amateur radio from becoming a clone of CB radio (Heaven forbid!!!) It keeps it from having the very same stuff many truckers complain about: ('I ain't got no panties on', or heavy breathing, or mike-keying for no reason). Infantile antics will NOT be tolerated, and you want to do that stuff then, stay ON the "children's band'!!
What makes ME mad is the filching of the 10 Meter band by unlicensed operators who have NO business ON those frequencies!! Legally, it is the SAME thing as me going in your truck's sleeper, going in your fridge and taking a nice steak you were planning to microwave for supper! That steak belongs to YOU, not me. The 10 Meter band "belongs" to licensed hams by virtue of LICENSURE (sort of like a lease or permission) and it makes those who DO have rights there MAD to find unlicensed persons there. It is a form of THEFT from those who worked for the privileges they hold! That's what makes them go out and "catch" truckers in the act of talking on 10 Meters.
Gadfly
Smith Trucking Company Told to stay OFF the 10 Meter band
Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by Gadfly, Aug 23, 2007.
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Gadfly,
Just a question: In the US, as a licenced amateur radio operator, you can only use radios, which are technically restricted to the amateur bands? So freely tunable radios are not permitted even for amateurs as long as you stay within the amateur bands and obey the legal power limits?
Here in Germany, based on my licence I can own, build, modify and operate and operate ANY radio, I just have to make sure that I stay within the amateur bands, don't cause interference and don't exceed the maximum legal power and use the correct modulation for the respective band. E.g. in a few days I'm going to buy a 1970s East German made commercial radio transceiver, which was e.g. used on their merchant ships and is fully tunable over the whole HF range. I can own and operate it, as long as I obey the limits I mentioned above. -
I am not the one you wrote this too but you are correct we can use any radio we want as long as we operate it with in the bands and freq of our respective license and the power and modulation and the proper signal width that is prescribed by FCC we can operate it. I have use some real old military radios and some real old commercial radios like Harris and as long as you stay where you are supposed to be and don't get out of your band your good to go.
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I have a extra class license,you people need to get a life and stopworrying about cbers. I dont concone the illegal use either,but Idont makeit my lifes work to worry about what there doing.
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We DON'T--------until we hear them yakking on 10 or 12 Meters. That is the problem. Just liike the above post in the thead, people NEVER read Part 95 and think they can just buy ANY sort of radio, talk on ANY frequency they want to, interfere with ANY radio service they want to. That doesn't fly. Look at all the questions about "what kind of a radio can I run?" "How much of that almighty power can I run?" Watts, watts, watts, watts, watts.power, power, power. "Can I run me a ham radio on BOTH CB and them ham bands?" (No, you may NOT! Answer: You must operate an FCC-certified, 40 channel, 4 watt CB radio with NO modifications, no changes, no "peak and tune", and NO "leenyar". That's It!!!!
So long as the CBers stay ON the the CB band where they belong, and don't interfere with the licensed bands (amateur), nobody cares. When they show up on 28.085 AM like some of them think they have a "right" to do, THEN they WILL get DF'ed, they WILL get found, they WILL get turned in to the Feds. Folks there are NO "extree" channels. Period!!!!!!
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Folks, the man is steering you straight here, even though the supertruckers of the world might not like what he has to say.
Gadfly is absolutely right with what he's been saying here.Pur48Ted Thanks this. -
lol! maybe thats the law, but people have used these channels for years and years. it will never stop! it is true that they can pinpoint transmissions and you are taking a chance. also there are 2 things i would like to know about this. is there any laws in mexico about their usage? and how come out of the blue, you can here music and sounds like a radio station on some of these channels??1pissedoffdriver Thanks this.
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Then why not install a PO-LEECE radio and start talking there? Or an aircraft radio? Maybe an aircraft HF radio for 6 MHZ? So the law aside, WHY do you think it is OK to "use them channels"? What are laws FOR anyway? Why not do away with ALL laws--survival of the "fittest" and all that? Come to think of it, why should I not just be able to walk into your house, take your food out of your fridge, take your TV, even KIDNAP your kids (extreme example, of course)? HUH? WHOA! That's "different", you say. Oh, I see. It now affects YOU, but to He** with everybody else--just so long as they don't take something from YOU, right? And due to the untrained appliance-oriented public, they see no harm done by a radio; it's just another toy like a little car that runs harmlessly across the floor. And CB radio, having developed a sort of rambo, cowboy culture of its own, however unintentional, has become one of the WORST things to ever happen to radio.
The majority of interference problems in the HF bands come from CB rambos who think they have some "right" to "them thar channels" It's not the hams (out of 600,000 or so hams, there are 6-8 violations per month) whereas if CB were actually enforced like it should, the number of busts against CBers would PALE in comparison! Previous FCC administrations thought that CB would sort of DIE in view of the newer technologies available: computers, cellphones, email, etc. It is, after all, a DEAD technology stuck in 1958 where it will remain with nothing new, nothing different, just the same old "channels", the same old boring radios with chrome faces, offering only one thing: beeps and squeeks, mo' watts, export radios parading as "ham" radios, and INTERFERENCE to licensed services!! Want to know WHY they didn't do away with it completely by now? Because while serving, at least, some small purpose as a cheap "toy", it sort of corrals the CB stuff in ONE little area (27 MHZ). If they were to do away with it fully, FCC is afraid it would unleash a flood of pirates and bandits thru out the HF spectrum (such as that aircraft band above). A few people HAVE been caught pilfering the 6 MHZ band and were FINED because messing with airplane communications is NOT cool, and anyone that endangers lives of innocent passengers should be HANGED------slowly!!!
The laws are there to protect from interference, to provide "fences" that keep one farmer's cows from coming into the neighbor's pasture and devouring the grass! Converting that scenerio into radio, frequencies and bands are segmented into areas and assigned according to the purposes of the licensees. They keep burglars OUT of your house, and radio is no different. Therefore, while some people think they have some "right" to 'tawk on them thar channels' they are taking a huge risk because, these days FCC IS more active than it used to be, and because the legitimate users of "them channels" will turn CBers in in a NOO YAWK minute if they find them up on 10 or 12 meters and will do their durndest to 'help' them get a $18,000 fine! Currently, there are still efforts underway to put more teeth into FCC's CB and Amateur enforcement--including the outlawing of so-called "10 Meter 'ham' radios" in commercial trucks. If you have no license to USE 10 Meters, then you don't need a "10 Meter" radio in your truck. There are 40 channels allocated to CB! Count 'em!! 40!!! Most of them go begging, but there is some allure to having some "special" privilege, a "secret" so-called 'channel' that others are not supposed to use. So they go yapping outside the CB band where, hopefully, someone (like ME) is lying in WAIT just waiting for you to start talking on 10 Meters.
Finally, to answer about Mexico. Our FCC does NOT control the whole world of radio. Each country controls the USE of radio in its own country by its citizens and subscribes to international treaties Every so often something called "ITU" (International Telecommunications Union) meets and irons out issues. The usage of 10 and 12 meters basically parallels that of the US; they are assigned and recognized by both countries as Amateur Radio frequencies. There are some bandits that, like in the US, will encroach there. In the US, if you look at fcc dot gov, you will see in their enforcement log where people are being busted for running pirate broadcasting stations--music, news, and all the trappings of a radio station. Some of them even have commercials. But FCC busts these regularly. So it is not inconceivable that Mexico has some of these bandit broadcasters as well. There was a taxi company that was on 28 MHZ for a time, too.
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Gladfly, the problem here is that thousands if not tens of thousands of drivers are using these radios and the FCC is gotten to the point were they don't care much anymore. The FCC is not going after these people as hard as the hams want them to anymore and this can be seen by looking through some of the hams sites.
Drivers would not be looking at these types of radios if the FCC would back off on the power ratings of the regular CBs. They may as well back off because they are hardly doing anything to stop the high power mobils that are already operating.
As for the frequency thing. Well I don't ever venture into the 10 meter bands as I just run two channels on the CB bands. One for regular running and one is our company channel that we use when we are running together so we don't have to try and talk over others on 19.
But the FCC doesn't seem to care or do much unless the hams whine and cry long enough and then they will go send a letter out to try and get the cry babies off their backs for a little bit.
So all your whining and crying here in this forum is not doing you any good. Go ahead and cry some more or just lick your wounds and leave it be because it is never going to do you or the hams any good to come here or the other boards and try and make it seem like you guys are the masters and should rule the airwaves.
CBs and radio use is a huge part of the trucking industry and it will never go away. Sure we have cell phones etc but they do no good unless you have the phone numbers to the other people on the road.
We need to beable to talk at more then eye shot distances and this can't be done hardly anymore with all the white noise coming over the radios these days.
FCC enforcment of big radios is not going to get any tougher then it is right now and it is looking to get even more lax because of funding. The funding is not there and is not going to be there for a very long time because the gov simply does not have the money to spend on enforcing big radios and the 10 meter band.
They are way too busy worrying about more important things then 10 meter and higher powered radios these days.Last edited by a moderator: Jan 10, 2009
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Im sorry, but I just dont see FCC running around busting truckers who have turned up radio or a connex or a galaxy and writing them tickets, hell, you cant get them to bust the guys with the home base units that are cranked beyond legal, and talking for mega miles over everyone, thats probably who most you hamm's hear not the truckers. as drivers, we like are radios turned up with a longer range so we can get weather and road info beyond 1 mile. not to mention, when sitting at customers and you have a lot of other trucks sitting there, in some of these cites, if you dont have a turned up radio, when the customer calls ya on the cb, they cant hear you or you cant hear them with all the air noise. its not about us wanting to be these law breaking truckers everyone always wants the public to belive or think, we are not like that. people need to stop believing everything they see on the big screen, its a movie, and its made in a way to get you to come see it and spend your money.
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