Need help putting together CB setup

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by dynosaur, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. dynosaur

    dynosaur Light Load Member

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    I've been driving 15 years and CBs are almost as much of a mystery to me today as when I started. Nor have I encountered many truly knowledgeable drivers, on the subject of CBs, and when I did, well, how much can you learn in a half hour or so at some truck stop.

    With that said, I thought I could buy the best equipment available based on the various opinions of drivers and make up for my lack of in-depth knowledge. The following is what I have:

    1. Ranger-6900F25/150 10-meter Transceiver;
    2. Texas Star 500w Linear (Boy, am I gonna hear it on that);
    3. Pair of Monkey Made antennas;
    4. Astatic 600 SWR/RF Power/Modulation Meters;
    5. Road King RK-56 Mic.

    What was I after? A radio with good clarity, sending and receiving; with a 5-10 mile range minimum.

    What did I get? Not what I wanted. The above equipment ran in excess of $1,400. I spent over $600 on installations, re-installation, and re-re-installation.

    Just so we can get past the FCC crap. On January 19th I will be taking the Ham Operator Technician Test so I can get a license.

    Am also wondering if I shouldn't just chuck the above and get the ICON-7200 Radio. It's around $1,400 but with a ham license I am interested in exploring what you can do with a radio like that and finding out what ham radio is about (minus the nazis).
     
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  3. BOOTYMONSTER

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    all that equipment is good equipment . if its not putting out a kick ### signal it wasnt installed correctly !!!!! or something id broke/defective .
     
  4. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    A bit of overkill if you ask me, for a CB. Sometimes the best route, isn't always the most expensive. Or the most obvious.

    #1 You're looking into possible Ham operation. You need a real radio for that. Ranger is a good radio. Just not for what you intend to use it for.

    #2 I've never been impressed with Monkey made. I might be the only one :( I've bumped France and Italy on a set of Penetrators, running 200 watts.

    As for transmitting and receiving. You can transmit a 100 miles. But unless the guy on the other end can hear you. It's kind of pointless. Even more so, if he has a 4 watt radio, running factory antenna.

    The biggest issue I see with your set-up. Is your radio. Ranger makes an excellent radio. But, you have to consider the internals. Tun-ability is key.

    The receive, on most CB radios, is designed to pick up slightly off frequency signals without having to tune. Ranger is no exception, even with increment tuning...it's still a CB with extra channels at the end of the day.

    If you intend to go with a Ham license and set-up. Speak with the Ham Operators. These guys have years of set-up and failure behind them. And a much larger brain-pool to choose from.
     
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  5. dynosaur

    dynosaur Light Load Member

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    I believe you're right on all points. Especially the overkill. I've had the radio installed so many time, each shop claiming the last one didn't know what he was doing. Out here on the West Coast, it seems to me, there are just no good CB shops. If anyone can tell me different, I'd sure like to hear it. Thanks for your advice. I love this forum and there's no shortage of good advice.
     
  6. Gadfly

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    One common mistake is assuming that one can buy ONE radio for ham operations AND for CB, or that a license somehow permits one to do things on or with CB that they couldn't otherwise do. That is not true. It is a great and rewarding thing to obtain the amateur license, and it will provide many hours of comfort on the road and a feeling of connection with those near and far away. Amateur radio, however, is a whole different animal from CB radio and requires a different commitment and a whole new approach to radio. In a nutshell, the two radio services are completely separate and serve totally different purposes! :yes2557: While CB is not required to be licensed with a paper license, it still IS "licensed" by "proxy" with FCC and still requires compliance with Part 95, US Code. Amateur Radio IS licensed on paper and that license must be kept near. Also, those rules are PART 97 and need to be read by the licensee. This is where people simply don't take it seriously and merely memorize 50 questions in order to "get by" the exam. That often results in the questions regarding "Can I just buy a 'ham' radio to use for CB AND ham? That shows that the person asking the question did just what I said: memorized the questions "just to get by". This question comes up very often with regard to radio equipment. The correct answer to this question is: You MUST use a 40 channel, FCC-certified CB radio for CB. You may use an amateur radio for amateur operations only! That would mean that a driver (or any user) would have to have TWO radios: one (legal) CB radio for CB and an amateur transceiver for amateur.


    Gadfly
     
  7. dynosaur

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    Actually, that is what I plan to do---run two radios. Ham radio operation is something I would like to check out. Also, I am planning to join the ham radio operators club here; it's through the club that I am planning to get my license. It's also my belief that through a ham club I can learn how radios work, and how to do my own setup, rather that paying some guy that SAYS he knows what he's doing $150 or more to do an install. As for the Ranger and other components, well, that's what I happen to have at the moment. CB's are kind of like cars, to some, a car is just a means to get from one place to another; but to others, it's a tool and an area of interest, they enjoy building engines, throwing in a big cam, fuel injection, beef up the suspension. It's still a means to get from point A to point B, but it's a hell of a lot more fun. I belong to the second group.
     
  8. dynosaur

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    I am certain that all the equipment is operational, because it's only three or four months old (measuring by time where it was actually installed and in use). The antennas are even newer. The door was grounded to the body and body to the frame with braided ground straps. Coax was dual antenna with no T-connectors, and antenna mounts were properly mounted with insulators. SWR was about 1.5:1 and continually monitored by an in-line Astatic unit with three meters, SWR, RF Power, and Modulation. If there is a weak link in this setup I imagine it lies no with the radio but with the operator---me. That's why I really enjoy this forum. It is the the first time I've been able to get solid advice from knowledgable people. I would like to know if anybody knows of any book that I might find helpful on CB operation and troubleshooting. Those that I've found are either hopelessly outdated, or so basic as to be of no use at all.
     
  9. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Don't bother with books on CB radios.

    Get with your Ham Ops Club. They'll be a huge source of information. ALL of it will apply to your CB.

    And while many of the books you find may seem outdated. The basic principles remain the same. Other than getting a schematic on your radio, that's about as new a book you need.

    There aren't a lot of "new" books regarding this. There are some on developing technologies. But for the most part (again) they remain the same as they were 5, even 10 years ago.

    You'll find many about circuits, theory, proper grounding, and even building your own.
     
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  10. dynosaur

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    Thanks, bookmarked the site for later. I think the ham club will be a great place to learn. I've spent a lot of time over the last day or so on a couple of ham radio sites and have read post after post about bonding. It was my understanding (passed on by a CB store 'expert' that a groundstrap from door to body and body to frame was a done deal. But, from the many posts on bonding I've found that grounding/bonding is no small job, if done properly. Thanks, again to you and all the others for great advice and direction.
     
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