Truck, I had issues with a few trucks in my time, a few had ghosts bad enough to cost me more than the value of the truck - I won't explain that.
A few thoughts.
The OEM connector on one truck was a cause of nightmares after an accident. It was replaced and the problem went away.
On another truck, it was a big nightmare and I had to fight Cummins to get help. Cummins had a tech come out to where the truck was broke down and put in a diagnostic harness in between the OEM connector and the ECM with a computer to capture all the data going in between them (plus the sensor data), he located the issues within the truck cab with a bad harness. The harness was replaced under warranty, it was a huge fight to get Western Star dealer to do that, it cost a lot of money and stopped my driver's nightmares. This one would show high temps and high boast - both gauges are driven by the ECM.
Another truck had ground issues, it was a beater truck so I paid a friend's mechanic $1000 to go through all the ground points in the truck and put in additional ones, it ended the problem but a year after that, the truck was hit hard in a parking lot by some hot shot dude and the insurance company totalled it out.
I talked to the Cummins tech about the harness and the computer, he said it isn't used often but when there are issues like I had, it makes a big difference. I Know cat has the same setup for their stationary engines and their earth moving engines. He also said they have one that plugs in between the ECM and the engine harness.
hope that helps.
CAT C15 /6NZ trouble continues
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Again I went over every inch of the truck this weekend. Removed fuse panel, checked rear of it, especially circuit to ECM that's fused there. All good.
Dropped every section / fitting of new fuel lines to check if a flap had inadvertently been cut by stratoflex fittings when new lines were made, all good.
Did find severe chaffing of fuel line section 4 feet from pump, through to and into steel braiding. I was out of stratoflex hose so tension taped the stink out of it ( it's on the suction side) with electrical tape.
That section of fuel line was completely empty. Not a drop of fuel in it when taken apart, so I'm sure it was drained down by air getting in.
The CAT tech bypassed my add-on
Air-Dog fuel air separator and zip tied connected lines against sharp bracket of air dog causing the chaffing.
So far I've only run about 90 miles but it runs 99% great. Hopefully this was it, and I'll see 100% when I make up another fuel line section.
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Well, today CAT replaced the fuel line damaged, and im scared to say (as i still dont believe) truck is running great. But how many times didnt i think it was all behind me, only to find my ghost was back.
So, for now i will leave it at that, and get back to you all in a few days with an update.
Holly cow, what a journey !!!
As much as i am a past licensed auto tech, a farm equipment repair guy ( self learning) and ive been in / under/ over/ around trucks for 37 + years, doing my own work, reading, asking, learning along the way, this experience sure educated me to the max on CAT C-15 engines pre DPF.
Till next post, when i hope to again bring great news to the table.
Thanks again folks for all your help, advice, thoughts and support.
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Cat tech is at my shop right now replacing injectors. I think Swaan is right...there is evidence of combustion leaking past 5 of six injectors on my engine. if you read this Swaan, I'd like to know more about this tool, and figure out a way to get this procedure done. I'll run my truck with these new injectors but I'm thinking it's going to come back. F me
Oxbow Thanks this. -
Oxbow Thanks this.
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update...all the injector seats are bad and leaking combustion gases into the fuel rail. Cat is replacing the head on warranty.
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Troy, thanks for the call today with the update. Yup, just as engine machinest had mentioned a few times.
As far as my engine is concerned, well, CAT replaced that fuel line going to the pump, and its running much better. But feels rough once im up above 1400 RPM, but no stumbling.
You can hear individual cylinders firing through the exhaust, driving , jaking etc., more so at and above that 1400 RPM zone.
Coolant temp climbs quickly. Ya im pulling 140,000 but it was a cool day here in Ontario Canada, with only 67 degrees., and with a new rad of 3 years, and i blew it out "and" washed it out, i dont think its a shedding of the heat isue, im thinking its more along the lines of " excess heat being generated " issue.
Guess time will tell aay !!
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I'm wondering if the high water temp issue and the stumbling aren't connected in my situation. I will certainly know in short order once this repair is completed. I asked the tech if the failed seats would have an effect on water temps and he said it's surely possible, but to what extreme he wasn't certain.
on a 25C day with a 100,000lb payload I can walk my water temp gauge to the pin with the fan on if I keep my foot in it climbing a long hill in the basement gears. I back out once it hits 230 degrees and keep the boost below 20psi at high rpm and it will stop climbing.
the rad has been removed, flushed, and cleaned once it started doing this and hasn't changed anything. next is a high efficiency model if this latest work has no effect. the T800 has a smaller rad and Cat would not perform the 475 to 550 bump on models running below a certain latitude due to cooling issues in warmer climates. maybe global warming is the culprit.Last edited: Jun 28, 2018
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